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“Journey of a Son” documentary

As part of NRTC, watch this documentary and post a smart comment summarizing how you were blessed or what you learned. Please use your full name and complete this assignment before the due date mentioned on the syllabus.

Description from Pastor Benjamin Robinson: “‘The Journey of a Son’ documents what I believe to be a movement that is taking place among the body of Christ; a movement to rediscover, recapture, and relive the Pauline paradigm of spiritual fatherhood and sonship. This video parallels the need of natural fathers to the need for spiritual fathers by looking at my life and ministry experience. Throughout the video numerous interviews are recorded that engage the hearts of senior pastors, young adult pastors, and youth pastors of different local congregations in the San Francisco Bay Area to gain a deeper understanding of how this paradigm is surfacing within the body of Christ.”

Length: 30 minutes
Released: Oct 2012
Produced and Directed by Joseph Sevier
Filmed and Edited by David Oh (Living Hope Christian Center)


  1. Sean Norton says:

    Ah man. I feel like there are a bunch of different thoughts floating around in my head…

    I think the first thing that comes to mind is that this is something I’ve wanted for a long time, but never had. At my home church, our pastors changed around a lot, the Pastor who was preaching at the time of my saving was never available for me to contact him and the pastors I had in college burnt me here and there. It made me think to myself, quite often, that; ‘It’s me and God versus the world’. Of course without community, or sonship, or people sowing into my life I burnt out quite quickly…

    But I think seeing this video, it made me remember to myself, ‘Oh yeah, I want this. I WANT this.’ and that I want the fear I have from all of the past experiences to be broken off because I feel that the mindset I’ve had for so long – being burnt again – is kinda… wrestling on the inside of me: I see clips of Joe and his father and I can’t help but to feel something within. And odd mix of jealousy and happiness. Happiness because I see the fruits that are born from being in a place of sonship, and that there is just an intimate and loving relationship… but Jealousy also because I know I want that for myself, but I feel an odd twist of, ‘Oh man, that ain’t for me. It’s just me and God. Y’all don’t know me.’ Which was touched upon by Pastor Benyamin’s comment about how post-reformation, the idea of fathership was lost when there was the protestant split and an ‘Individualistic Christian Spirituality’ was born… I think that part of the video right there pointed out something within me: that I do see my faith in that way many times and that… it’s not okay.

    Later on in the video PC mentions how important it is to produce sons and not just development… how there’s a priority on the relationship and not just how functional or useful someone can be, how that one pastor wanted to plant a church but kind of went ahead and did it on his own… and how we always talk about not sending anyone until they’re ready… that part brought up, for me, an idea i’ve had for an extremely long time – that I need to be useful otherwise I don’t matter; that there needs to be a certain quota of whatever I do in order to get my fill… I’m looking forward to having all of that gone and being able to step into sonship… I want a father figure in my life to speak into my heart, and I want to want that as well. Sonship is a key part of the Christian walk, as Christ was a SON to the father. I wan dat.

    Basically. I see sonship as integral to faith. We aren’t clanging gongs or pots and pans… what are we without intimacy and relationship? what are we without LOVE? Sonship is important. And I wanna get it.

    …ah man am I like, sharing too much? hahaha… efhsdfhdafds.

  2. Eunhae Grace Han says:

    The last part
    “church isn’t lacking seminars or teachers, but fathers” killed me,

    I don’t have a solid paradigm of a father or mother haha but don’t we all have none? No one has had a perfect father or mother but its through the revelation of God the Father that we can manifest the divine love.

    I’ve never viewed a pastor as a spiritual father. The concept isn’t new, but the attempt, to shift my perspective is but God leading I am going.

    Pastors lead a busy life and having an intimate relationship with them to the point where they can know and speak into me seems the unnorm and not the norm. But that is falsity! I’m learning now Pastors carry the Fathers heart and the real revelation of Gods love for His children.

    I sought for grounded sound theology, deep biblical teaching, haha still do, but now I am reminded to seek intimate relationships in the church. I am a son and I need to be fathered.

  3. Joe Chung says:

    As a young boy, I rarely saw my parents because both were working, so I was raised by my grandparents. During most of my childhood, I lived in total fear of my natural father, who at the time, struggled in the area of alcohol and anger management. So, whenever he would come home, I’d hide behind my bed. My view of the word “father” only instilled fear for the majority of my life. Fear and anger towards God and my natural father, seeped into my life and my whole idea of a father was gray and murky.

    This video on the importance of an intimate, loving, and nurturing father and son relationship; like Sean said above, is what I WANT. From watching this video, I learned that the intimate connection with a spiritual father and with God our Father, is a life-giving and integral part of our growth and maturity as sons. Also, it isn’t our responsibility to just receive, but we, as sons, to foster that anointing from our spiritual parents and God and when we become a fatherly or motherly figure, to invest and pour out our love into others as parents do to their children.

    While watching, I was hit with the strong realization of my impact as an English teacher here in Korea. I reflected on my relationship with my students and I asked myself, “Am I investing my time and energy with them relationally? Or is it functionally?” Then, I noticed that it was totally functional and realized how much more I need to be relational with those around me at home, church, and the work place. Just the way Jesus was with His disciples and even with someone like Zacchaeus. Relational.

    I totally and strongly believe that sonship is a vital and critical part of my faith and I can’t wait to be stretched beyond measure. I’m psyched and am ready to soak it all in!~~~

  4. Stephanie Grady says:

    Spiritual sonship is so important in our world today. It has made all of the difference in my own life I know. It’s through healthy and loving people investing in others that the hurts get healed and people grow into who they were originally created to be. It’s so much more powerful than just being in relationship because of what one person can do for another. That is purely selfish and definitely a mere consumer mindset. Spiritual sonship is about imparting a person’s life and perspective into another, which is built on mutual trust. I was told before that ‘what a person believes is what they teach others’. I know this to be true. Who we are is what we give to others in relationship, not just information. This world is so hungry for spiritual fathers and for people to say, “You are very important to me. You are not alone. We are in this together.” I am so happy to be a part of a church that values sonship and desires to raise up all of its’ leaders to one day be spiritual fathers. This is a legacy I am excited to be a part of.

  5. AJ Cruz says:

    There are statistics that prove that a father can either make or break a child.
    Whether we believe it or not, a father plays a vital role in the family. They are important to a childs development of identity and self worth. This truth isnt only in the family but also in the body of Christ.

    As a christian, it is important that we fully understand the truth of our identity. We are sons. There are a number of reasons why this is essential to our growth. Personally this was important because it broke the slave mentality off of me. Its allowed me to realize that God is and can be more intimate that you think. Being that we are His sons we can freely come to Him despite our dirt and shame because above any good father He will love you through everything. This breaks of the struggle of being “good enough”and trying, because youre a son, you will always be good and even if youre not you will be loved.

    Moreover, being that God is our father, we can take on our fathers characteristics similar to what we do with our earthly fathers. With this in mind, we are powerful,confident,loved, great, victorious, etc. Our self worth should sky rocket to heights above the non believer because our God is more than that and He has embedded all his traits in us. Therefore, we dont have to struggle with who the world says we are or even who we think we are.

    Pastor Christian said it best by saying that the church doesnt need more teachers but fathers. People who will love and invest in people with a fathers heart. This is because the body needs an unconditional heart to see peoples lives change.A fathers heart is where our identity as sons is established.

  6. Joyce Ku says:

    If we describe the church as a family, isn’t it only natural that we have a father? This video gave so much insight and explanation to my past experience in church. Growing up at church, I understood that our community was supposed to hold the likeness of a family yet, we were like strangers in a subway. I think a part of this alludes to the absence of the spirit of sonship from an official establishment of a spiritual father. There is an integral dimension added to a relationship when sonship is injected. I have a thought that without the solid foundation of love for one another, the buildings we build on top of it will crumble in time. I love, love the parallel comparison to the statement “I went from watching my dad take care of business to being sent out to take care of business for him” in relation to our own sonship to fathership process. I don’t ever want to lose my sonship! I think there is such beauty in that our spiritual fathers precede flesh and time. There is no way I can be an orphan in this world. I am so thankful that NP is a place I can watch how “business” is done and eventually be sent off to do that “business”.

  7. Masande.G says:

    Watching this video made me so grateful for the spiritual fathers i have had in my life. sometimes you need to see other people who don’t have what you have had in order for you to realize how blessed you have been.

    growing up i had an amazing relationship with my dad but as i grew older things changed even though he was always a part of my life. When i felt like my dad wasn’t the man he used to be God put amazing spiritual fathers in my life who were able to pour love, time and intimacy into my life. If it weren’t for those spiritual fathers my view of fathering would not be what it is today. I might not have the best relationship with my natural father but i am blessed to have been fathered by pastors in the church who then in turn encouraged me to continue pursuing a relationship with my natural father no matter what! Being fathered in the church truly grew my desire to be fathered by my own dad.

    Through being a son of the house i was able to experience what it meant to be fathered, I was taught how to live my life for the glory of God and i was accepted. I am happy to have found a church that values being a son and fathering people in the church.

  8. I totally agree we need to have more fathers and sons in the church. I have seen this done really well twice before. I have had 2 spiritual fathers and I really loved them and they made a really big impact on my life. However, I think it is really difficult to be a father. It takes sacrifice and commitment that most people don’t have. You don’t only take care of your son spiritually but also emotionally and physically. It is an extremely intimate relationship. The son watches the father’s daily routine and learns from it. And it is also a mutual relationship. There has to be love and commitment on both ends. A father can’t be a father without the son’s permission and visa versa. I LOVE these father/son relationships in the church but I think that it is something that has to occur organically. Sometimes pastor’s unintentionally force these relationships and try to manipulate people into being sons without first forming a trust or a bond. I think we need to be weary of that as a church. Before trying to be someone’s spiritual father I think that I need to love them like God loves me. Of course, God gave his Son for me. So unless I am willing to give up everything for someone then I have no business leading them. That is how intimate the relationship is between father and son. I can only aspire to have that kind of leadership one day.

  9. It wasn’t until my parent’s marriage finally fell apart that I realized my entire life I grew up without a father. I remember always wanting that “daddy’s girl” relationship, and I worked so hard to get it, but it never was given to me. I could feel this loss my entire life, but I could finally say what I felt. After an event that made me lose faith in him as a father, God opened my heart completely to Jesus and God’s fathership in my life. I let go of the pain and let God heal my wounds, I started to trust again. I think that if it were not for God, my life would be very different right now. However, messes can be cleaned, but when something is broken it needs to be renovated. My father kept cleaning messes, but finally, I couldn’t take anymore. I knew that God desired that I “honour my father and my mother,” but I didn’t know how to do that. How can you honour someone who is abusing their leadership in your life? It was then I talked to a strong man of God, and allowed for his fathership that changed my pain. He said to me that I needed to honour God as my father. This struck my heart. The next day as I poured through my Bible, God brought this verse to me “Listen daughter, consider and give ear: forget your people and your father’s house. The king is enthralled by your beauty; honour him for HE is your LORD.” Isaiah 45:10-11
    Watching this video really spoke to my heart about spiritual leaders because the spiritual leader I thought was in my life was not. I won’t lie, I lost faith in authority. But I refuse to live my life like this because I want a fathership, and spiritual leaders in my life, so that I can help others. I want to honour God my father. My faith in spiritual leaders will once again become strong. I think that this video is a fantastic idea. And I hope that more and more Christians will come to understand this type of leadership. I hope that through this leadership program I can learn how to be a daughter to a spiritual father/mother and that one day I can help others.

  10. Caitlyn Kavan says:

    Before watching this documentary, I did not have a strong understanding of what “sonship” was. As a girl, I could not fully wrap my mind around being a “son” but one thing that really spoke to me was that even as a woman, I still have the inheritance. I have full access to His Word.
    A question that made me pause the video and answer myself was the question of if there is ever a point where a son does not need a father. My automatic response to this was that no matter what, a son will always need a father. This question really made me think about all the times where we can get so lost in our own work and circumstances that we, as sons, forget or think that we do not need the guidance or approval of the Father. The pastors really said it best when they said that we will always have a need to be a son because once we are sons, we are always sons.
    Lastly, I want to mention the family dynamic of the church. I did not grow up in a Christian family so when I first entered the church family, I sometimes would feel like we were all brothers and sisters but deep inside, we were still strangers. In order for us to feel like we are truly brothers and sisters in Christ, we must value people relationally. When I first started to go to church, I did not feel like I had a close relationship with my pastor, it was definitely more like the pastor was the CEO and not a father figure. I think the last quote of the video hit me the hardest because I realized how true this is.
    “The church isn’t lacking in teachers, seminars, or buildings, they are lacking fathers.”
    Sometimes people come to the church broken and seeking comfort and the best person to provide that healing and comfort is a Father. Whether someone grew up with a good father or grew up fatherless, having a divine connection with the Spiritual Father is necessary for everyone.

  11. Tine Heenop says:

    We all are pretty aware of the important roll a natural father plays in his child’s life, but I was not aware of how important and essential it is also in the spiritual! This documentary Holy Spirit opened my eyes and my heart to see, to realise of how important and how biblical it is for me to have a spiritual father. I also realise that what God has called me for; I now no longer want to go out and do just because of my ambition and good passion but trust God that he will speak to them and I will only go with my spiritual father and mother sending me and having the congregations’ blessing!
    Another crucial point that struck me was when they mention that it comes from both sides! God can send you the best amazing spiritual father ever, but are you open to it? Are you seeking it or wanting it?
    This documentary made me truly capture the heart of God for a spiritual father in my life!

  12. Karey Park says:

    I was fortunate to have had a strong discipleship relationship during my college years, which also coincided with the most formative years of my spiritual growth, and in retrospect, though this person was not the one who initially led me to Christ, I have no problem considering a spiritual father figure to me. First understand the context of apostle Paul’s environment, and there it all is: a huge blind spot, granted, a unique cultural blind spot, reveals something clearly taught in the New Testament. Pastor Benjamin wisely pointed straight to the root issue. A model of discipleship that is based on training for action or ministry will not always produce a fully mature son, and father/son relationships should never be based on personal gain or what the other person will eventually be able to do one day. May that never be among spiritual sons and daughters. Yet, my culture and my upbringing do affect me, and although I readily admit that my naturally independent spirit does influence me, every spiritual father would benefit from prayerfully considering how to best contextualize sonship for a mobile and modern society. It should be pitted against other Pauline teachings of plurality of elders and also Christ’s headship of the church, and these should all be collectively reflected in a church’s structure. But at the end of the day, our identity as a son is not one that is going away, and whether young or old the need to be fathered is real and perhaps more palpable than ever.

  13. I was incredibly blessed by this documentary. It’s extremely comforting to know that our Father is committed to establishing us as His sons, and that our Father desires to draw us out from the “orphan spirit” lifestyle. What really shifted my paradigm and challenged me was the truth that everyone—pastors, leaders, and members, all need to be covered, nurtured, and shepherded. We are not standing alone as sons but established and covered together as sons within the body of Christ. As a covenant family, we ought to be intentional with one another when building relationships within the church. Back at my old church in California, there were a lot of holes in our leadership because leaders were so eager to lead without the proper covering from those above. And that really shaped the way I viewed leadership. I mistook leadership positions as places where people stand by themselves with authority. Coming to NPC, I was very surprised to see so many great leaders being covered by their own leaders, and this made me realize the importance of the father-son relationship. I’m so thankful that my old mindset is wrong! I’m so thankful that even those who father the fatherless are still considered to be sons in the eyes of Christ! I’m so thankful sonship is an eternal bond we have with Christ that is filled with value and inheritance! I’m so thankful that that crazy bond we have with Christ trickles down to our own leadership at NPC.

  14. I really like how when PE says that even though she’s a woman, but in the Spirit she is also a son. I come from a single parent family for 10 years until my mother remarried again, I have a stepfather. But for most of my life, and my brother’s puberty, we don’t have a physical father. Not to mention our parents are not Christians, we don’t really have someone to pray & sow into our lives, except for my aunt. She is the one who always mentored me & whenever I have any concerns, I’ll go see her & consult her for Godly advice. On the other side, my brother always close up to himself & we don’t have many men that can take up the position of being a spiritual father to my brother so a cousin of mine tried to be a Godly father to him, but I guess my cousin isn’t that committed in doing so and I think gotten even worse for my brother. Now, he’s back to that orphan spirit & I’m starting to worry about him because everyone needs a person who can just be relational & look up to. I need to pray for more men to rise up so that they can be a spiritual father to these orphan spirits like my brother. This documentary just reminds me of my brother a lot.

  15. David Ha says:

    As a pastor’s son, I can attest to this lack of spiritual fathers in the church. I find it a tragedy that such an epidemic has spread across the modern-day church. But growing up inside of a Christian household did not leave me immune to this fatherless-ness.
    In all honesty, I can’t pinpoint a single spiritual father in my life that was there to guide me. My father took a “throw you in the deep end of the pool” approach. Many times I was thrown into positions of leadership without any guidance or training. And while I did grow somewhat, I feel like the lack of intimacy and spiritual connection and, most importantly, righteous rebuke has led me to have a lack of discipline and a feeling that I’ve been used most of my life.
    My father has been dedicated to his church for 20 years (and counting) and has served as the spiritual father. And, as his son, I find that admirable. But what about his own sons and daughter? Shouldn’t the household be the primary example of how to lead a church?
    We need to break this cycle of fatherless-ness and curate a culture of intimate, meaningful relationships within the church.

  16. Jasmin Agese says:

    Interesting….. After meditating on this I now understand why I had a really deep relationship with the pastor I served under the most and why I had a really hard time dealing with his transfer… would have been nice to watch this ages ago then I probably would have dealt with that season more appropriately. This really needs to be emphasised in Christian doctrines all over the world. But I wonder how many shepherds really want to be Fathers?

  17. I have been so blessed growing up! I grew up in a Christian home where my dad really led our family as a REAL man; a God fearing humble man. Since my dad was playing a role of a spiritual father to me in my childhood, sonship was an easy idea for me to grasp. In fact, I was searching for “sonship” for a long time when I was at different churches in different countries. However, I never really found it until I came to New Philly when Pastor Christian talked about sonship and how it is such a blessing to be covered. This video really reminded me about sonship and what a blessing it is to be covered once again. I also believe that having that security of a spiritual father in life is so essential in my walk with Christ. I can say that I’ve been so blessed and set free through sonship at New Philly!

  18. Saeko R says:

    I didn’t know the concept of spiritual father until I came to New Philly and heard Pastor Christian’s message on sonship. At that time, I realized for the first time that I had been a spiritual orphan. I did have great pastors and leaders to teach me and lead me in my spiritual walk, but my relationships with them were not the same as one between father and son. Clearly it wasn’t that intimate or the level of sharing our lives. It could be because I had no idea about sonship and my heart wasn’t open to it as this video mentions briefly in the end. But I know that deep inside of my heart, I was looking for and wanting a spiritual father figure for a long time. So whenever I hear about sonship, I feel secure and happy. It also makes me want to nurture this father-son relationship because I know that sonship is really important in my walk as a Christian. One challenge I received from watching the video is the part “being sent.” I don’t want to be “released with blessings” in the next transition of our lives for sure, yet at the same time, as much as I want to be sent, “being sent” still sounds not so realistic to me right now for some reason (I don’t know why. It could be out of the lack of understanding of the concept of “being sent”). But I would like to value words and advise from our spiritual father highly in our decision-making process.

  19. It all makes sense.
    New Philly and the intimacy and covering, the vulnerability that is so evident. Through sonship this is all possible.
    Growing up in the same church my parents attended during their college years, our pastor knew me ever since I was born, but I never knew him, and to be honest he didn’t really know me. There was a lack of intimacy and a true Father-Son relationship, creating space for other things to take that intimate role/relationship.
    But under the Sonship of P. Christian and P. Erin there is a relationship, the intimate relationship that I have been missing out on for most of my life.
    Learning truth that I am not valued for my functional aspects or capabilities but simply loved for who I am. This simple truth set me free, that I do not have to perform and meet “standards” but simply be poured into that I may also be able to pour into others. That Fatherhood is an impartation of a way of life, not just all about learning teachings or facts. That I have been taken in, my Father has shared his heart and I am to imitate him. Since I carry the Father’s heart I can do what the Father does.
    Constantly maturing and growing as a Son, I learn more of the Father’s heart and am able to reflect it in my own life. The level of submission is the level of growth you experience.
    Seeing PC and PE as both a Spiritual Father and Spiritual Son (To PB) shows me that they are also constantly maturing and growing, therefore taking their Sons to new levels as they experience new levels of growth. This dynamic and pro-active cycle is exactly what Jesus wanted for His people, to be Fathered as He was a Father.

  20. Janice So Hyun Lim says:

    I’ve had spiritual mentors, leaders and people I went to for advice, but I never thought of them as spiritual fathers! Switching one word gives a totally different view on my relationship with those who have invested in my growth. I think if I knew the concept of sonship before and applied it to my relationship with my mentors, it would have taken our relationship to a whole new level of intimacy. To be honest, I am not as comfortable with having a spiritual father as I am with a spiritual mother because of my past experiences, but one thing I felt strongly as I was watching the video is that I don’t want to be fatherless anymore. I want to receive the teaching and inherit the blessing of a spiritual father. And I believe God is providing me with one at New Philly.

  21. Angela Van Gorp says:

    So much content. Love that the message wasn’t just introducing the idea of sonship but gave specific ways to reproduce the breakthrough that these leaders have experienced (foundation of trust based out of relationship/time/transparency, allowing a son to see a father in private and public settings).

    The one example that one of the pastors gave completely summed up the video to me- he talked about how he and his wife were praying/talking about doing a ministry and afterwards came to his spiritual father to get his stamp of approval. Then later he realized that his spiritual father wasn’t part of the process and he told him that he didn’t even want to leave unless he was being sent. I think so many times we just get a stamp of approval and call it accountability/sonship/etc… but really it’s not relational. When I make a decision my mom is usually in every part of the decision vs. telling her what I’m going to do and pressuring her to agree with the decision that I feel God is calling me to. Being a daughter is so much more mature and humble than being an independent woman who makes my own decisions apart from anyone else.

  22. Jennifer Mendez says:

    Growing up my mother always told me you have to love your Father no matter what; regardless of what he has done to my mother or to my sister and me. Not until my step-father came into the picture did I realize what a “real” father was. Yes, my biological father has been “around” but my step-father has always been my “real” father to me. My step-father corrects me when I’m wrong and speaks life and truth into my life; no matter how many times I did not want to listen, he was always right and always did it for the best of my life. He spoke from experience and from the heart and was only striving to see me succeed. He wanted to prepare me for the world like Paul did for Timothy and then send me out.

    As you can see, yes, my father gave me life but he has never really been a “father”. If it weren’t for my step-father, I probably would have been another statistic mentioned at the beginning of the video. I love that New Philly “Fathers the Fatherless”. This concept within a church community is new to me yet I believe it’s very beneficial and it is needed. I was surprised coming to New Philly that even Pastors were in sonship yet I began to see how important it was for their own growth. I always admire when New Philly Pastors talk about submitting to their “Father’s” and how much it helped them grow. A Father is wise and is there to take care of you and only wants the best for you.

    As Pastor Benjamin mentioned, a “Spiritual Father shows you the way of life. It is not about learning to read the bible but learning how to interpret scripture and to live by it. I pray that more churches move into sonship. Many churches are about the individual but I truly believe through experience that community and sonship are needed!

    Jennifer Mendez

  23. Janis Pok says:

    When I was at YWAM doing my DTS, we went through 12 weeks of training that included lectures from guest speakers. About 2 or 3 weeks into the lecture phase, the theme was “The Father Heart of God.” If you ask most people about the most memorable part in the DTS, they would say that this week totally set them free from so many things and that it completely changed them. Personally, I really enjoyed the whole thing, but to be honest, I didn’t feel like it was the most life-changing or impressive lecture I had heard during the entire lecture phase. However, I realized that this was an important topic because it is essential to recognize God as a father, not a figure up in the clouds who is distant from us, but someone who loves us and longs to have a relationship. For me, I grew up spoiled rotten by my father’s love, so it isn’t a difficult concept to interpret in a spiritual context with God. In fact, I believe it should be a given for a father to love his child. However, I was surprised that there were many people, especially girls, who had been neglected by their fathers, and it made it so much difficult for them to understand God as a father, because the only father they knew was the one that walked out on them, abused them, and hurt them.While watching the documentary, I was reminded of Malachi 4:6, “He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; or else I will come and strike the land with a curse.” People are recognizing our fatherless generation and the prevalent orphan spirit, and are starting to take initiative to do something about it. I really feel that God is stirring people’s hearts.
    This documentary really opened my eyes to the importance of sonship in a healthy church environment. I always saw pastors as people who ran the church, like an owner, and it seems a bit awkward and strange to think of a pastor as a spiritual father. However, I learned that God is calling us to make this a natural thing. A spiritual father isn’t just someone who cares and loves, but someone who longs for an intimate relationship, and that may mean investing their time and effort into that relationship. It is an abstract concept for me, but I’m excited to be under the covering and establish that relationship once I become a member of this house!

  24. Narai Bai says:

    Wow- that was so rich..
    That was just the first assignment on the list of things we need to do to complete our leadership training- so even more awesome teachings and preachings are coming our way!! I am so blessed to be part of this house :))

    Many things stood out to me- but several key points:

    1. Sons know the father, know his teaching, and have the impartation of his way of life :)

    2. Sons are trusted with the father’s work! I’ve been reading through John recently and I love how Jesus references his father all the time- like “hey, just to let y’all know… God and I- we do this together. God shows me everything- and I join in with his work. He empowers me, validates me, and believes in me.”

    3. “You never grow out of the need to be a son.” (I know..don’t quote verbatim! But I had to.. 😀 ) I love that!

    4. The father’s not just above us but he’s also beneath us, pushing us up…thank you PE for that image- joa joa! :))

    5. Last thing- I first experienced the father’s love when I first came to new philly 3 years ago :) in my emotionally and spiritually numb and detached state, I was still able to feel the warm love of the father through my current spiritual father, PC :)) I didn’t understand the spiritual importance of sonship, nor did I have a theological paradigm by which I could comprehend what happened- but I just had an awareness that I was deeply loved- and that opened the way for healing and restoration… YAY GOD!! Thank you PC! :DD love you!

  25. Magdeline Goh Seen Hui says:

    I never knew about fatherhood and sonship until I came to NP. I attended a church in my hometown where we do not focus on sonship n I always carry the mind set that when i attend a church,I automatically have a father fathering me and watching over me.but by watching this documentary,it changes my thought n i realized how important it is for me to have a father fathering me who will not only give me basic spiritual information but also the one that I can learn the way he/she lives.I like the point that was mentioned that sonship comes from both sides.We have to be opened to it and have the heart of willingness to be fathered if we are in sonship and trust is the basic thing in the relationship of a father and son. i need to be fathered n I’m so glad that I’m not a spiritual orphan anymore!

  26. Audrey Tan Ngerong says:

    Looking back, I now realize that the main cause for the emptiness I felt in my Christian walk in the past was because of the absence of sonship in my life. Before, it was difficult to view my pastors as spiritual father/mother figures as I was unfamiliar to this concept and didn’t know how to approach them which led to a lack of intimacy. This documentary has opened my eyes to see and grasps that every Christian needs that father-son relationship that is not functional but an intimate one which leads to the full maturity of a son. As biblical teachings and theologies are as equally important, the impartation of the way of life comes only through a relationship where both sides are willing and ready to be transparent with each other. I love the point on how that one never grows out of the need to be a son because even Jesus was a Son to God during his ministry, what more to say about us? I now know that the void inside of me is indeed the need of being fathered, and I believe that God has led me to NP in His perfect timing!

  27. This movie blessed me by opening my eyes to a new concept. I guess it is not new, however, because Pastor Benjamin mentioned this concept died out with the Protestants after the Reformation. I remember Pastor Christian mentioning this in his sermons and both pastors preaching about it during the retreat but this video makes it clearer.

    What’s a relationship between a pastor and the disciple supposed to be like? I’ve always seen it as the relationship between a master and an apprentice like in those kung fu movies. The pastor is a mentor who trains young men and women in ministry and sends them on their way to do the same. This video is shifting that paradigm.

    I always saw Jesus and his disciples in that kind of relationship. I guess for me, the father-son aspect was too subtle for me to realize. But thinking with this paradigm, I am beginning to understand. Jesus’ heart to feed the 5000, his attitude towards Peter, and the way John refers to himself as “the beloved” is mother father-son than master-apprentice.

    Pastors being fathers allows for much more intimacy. It helps me see pastors not as distant, stern disciplinarians but as loving and close. My father loves me and I do love him, yet I feel distant from him. I felt that a father-son relationship would be a father looking down and helping me at times but Pastor Erin’s view of a father also being beneath and helping to lift you up opens my mind.

    I hope to be a pastor/missionary some day and that means I will be a spiritual father to my followers. Yet, I’m not sure if I am a spiritual son to anyone. If I am to love anyone with the intimacy of Jesus and Paul, where will I learn it and receive it from?

  28. Suzie Im says:

    I, personally, always had a very distant relationship with my father. I always thought he didn’t love me enough and didn’t care enough about me because he didn’t love me in the way that I wanted or thought he should. He wasn’t always around and never took an interest in my life outside of providing for our family financially and where I was academically, and I was always afraid of my father. I never felt safe to make mistakes because disappointing him was not an option. I didn’t learn to appreciate how he’s lived his life for my family until later on in adulthood, but my resentment of my imperfect relationship with him kept me from truly understanding and accepting God’s love for me. I always understood with my brain that He loved me perfectly just the way I was, but I still find myself striving to be better for Him. It’s what He wants, but not what He requires. He loves me despite my imperfections. He knew each success and failure I would have in my life before He created me and still calls me His beloved.
    I always knew and have been trying to live out the command of God to love on others. But this documentary has given me more insight– it’s more than just loving on those around me, but it’s about keeping relationship with them. Spiritual families…being a son and father in the Spirit… help give people like me a better sense and understanding of the Father’s love for us. Just as Jesus was a living example and teacher of how we should live our lives in the eyes of God, a spiritual father does what Jesus did for his disciples in a more intimate relationship…a direct imitation of Jesus. It’s living out how Jesus lived in life.
    New Philly is the first church where I’ve heard such an emphasis being placed on this kind of spiritual relationship. And it is something that I want. It’s very novel to me because I had never really felt fully a part of a church family, mostly because I had never seen a pastor as the “father” of the church, of the congregation, and a church family was always talked about but never carried out. I always wondered what that would feel like until I had my one-on-one conversations with the pastors of this church. It’s just not just about passing on wisdom of what they know, but it’s their heart that they want to share with me.
    At New Philly, I see the concept of family is greatly emphasized and carried out. The way I always carried out my faith was individually. Yes, I sought counsel from my church friends and pastors that I trusted, but when I speak to the leaders at New Philly, they genuinely take an interest in my life and genuinely want to see my life in line with my true identity in God. This documentary just stirs in my heart a greater HUNGER for this kind of relationship. I’ve grown so used to doing things on my own, that I crave more relationship with spiritual fathers to sow into my life.

  29. Kristine Wong says:

    Fatherhood was one of the first things I learned when I became a Christian. But… even though I learned about it… I never had a spiritual father. I first knew about it when my older sister tells me that our pastor is her spiritual father. She never clearly explained it to me on how it worked or what it meant. But… deep inside… I was jealous that she had a spiritual father and I didn’t. We both have the same pastor that we go to for wisdom and counseling but for some reason… my pastor told me that I am not seen yet to be his spiritual daughter. I never thought to ask him why but there I was… a lonely baby Christian with no sonship. Whatever my pastor could have been thinking at the time… I’m surprised that he supported me to move to Korea. Why did he feel that I was ready to go move to a new country at the stage I was at with my spiritual life? Whatever the reason… I still strongly desire a spiritual father over my life. I want to change the world and affect the world in a positive way, but how can I do that with no one in my life to go to for help, advice, counsel, support, and care for my life? Like how Jesus was with his disciples, I strongly desire discipleship and to follow a leader who is strong in their walk with Jesus so that I too can follow in those footsteps. As I learn through examples of how to live life according to the Word and the key example of Jesus Christ through a spiritual father, I also hope to pass on these experiences and knowledge (particularly to young girls) and how they can live a powerful and loving life as well. I look forward to this leadership training and finally experiencing sonship in my life…

  30. Sophie James says:

    The statistics about those that are fatherless in the natural were kind of staggering, but I think a similar phenomenon can be seen in the church. For so many today church is like a spiritual petrol station – you drop by on a Sunday to fill up and get you through the week, but the rest of the time you’re out their on your own cruising around. God is a relational god and he made us to be relational and the church has really dropped the ball on this idea of being a family and a community. I think it’s through relationships that people become connected and stay connected to a church and spiritual fatherhood/sonship is going to be an important paradigm shift for the church going forward. To have someone to lead and teach you, to know that you are loved, valued, trusted and accountable for your actions, to know that someone cares enough about you to discipline you, to have someone you submit to and honour out of love, to have an intimate relationship with someone that has been cultivated over years of pouring into each others lives – these are things that are distinctly missing from our society, but something we are so in need of. But more than this, spiritual fatherhood/sonship is a way of protecting the spiritual health of our church family and raising up Christians who are assured of their identity in Christ.

  31. Christina Parchem says:

    What the documentary said several times, and what I took away most from watching this is that fatherhood and sonship go deeper than teaching. With physical parenting, we learn how to eat, use the bathroom, read, etc., but it hardly stops at those basics. So how much more should we be able to take away from a spiritual father pouring into our lives other than teaching and Christianity basics? John 5:19 says “Amen, amen, I say to you, a son cannot do anything on his own, but only what he sees his father doing; for what he does, his son will do also.” Our whole Christian walk is influenced by what we see our spiritual parents doing. Although, in my own experience, I’ve met very few people who are willing to step up to the plate and take on such a role, preferring to stay just as a teacher, or mentor. It’s easier to just show up with some Bible verses to talk about rather than invest in someone’s life and live their own lives in a way that their son will also do. I feel truly blessed to be a part of New Philly where this is treated so importantly.

  32. Abby Brokaw says:

    This is such a great video… Having grown up in the church, this provided the “eureka” moment to a lot of the issues or problems that I’ve seen in ministries, or have experienced personally, but never have been able to pinpoint the root of the problem. I really appreciated the fact that Pastor Benjamin Robinson identified this as extending back to the very earliest generations of Protestantism, and showed how this nurtured individualism within the Church. I also liked how he explained sonship and being a sent one, that we will bring the heart of the Father that sent us.

    I have wonderful parents… However, they were also my pastors until they resigned from the ministry when I was eighteen. Because of this, I had a really difficult time connecting with or submitting to pastors at the next church that I attended. My relationship with and loyalty to my nuclear family always took priority over that of my church family. It didn’t help that my parents were critical of my new church and would often verbalize their dislikes. Because I struggled to connect with my pastors, I also felt a disconnect from the Church as a whole for a long time. I wanted to serve God, but felt as a wanderer until I learned to accept and embrace the pastors over me. It was so strengthening to receive the prayers of my pastors and church as I left for Korea. I knew that I was sent as a Son of their house, and not a wanderer.

    The impact of spiritual Fathers can truly last a lifetime. Even a seemingly small act can work wonders when it comes from the Father’s heart. I still remember several incidences like this from my teenage years. One day, when I was at a meeting at Hillsong’s youth camp, I was standing in the very back of the tent. The main youth pastor approached me to say hi, and asked my name and a few other details. He then asked how long I had been attending their youth group. “About a year, off-and-on…” I replied. I still remember the slightly-hurt look in his eyes, when he earnestly asked why I had never introduced myself before. In that act, I realized that he truly cared about each of us, as a father-figure more than as a leader of a massive church movement. It bears noting that the youth group had over a thousand kids at that point, and that the numbers at the camp were even larger.

    I am so encouraged that this church has such a strong emphasis on spiritual fathers and sons. It is really important to remain in touch with our roles as both a father And as a son.

  33. I’ve always thought that my life became better after my father passed away when I was in high school. I never had a relationship with him, but hated him for being alcoholic and abusive. I’ve never missed him either. I grew up more liberally not having a protective father being and I thought I lacked nothing.

    Looking back, what I lacked the most was to even long for the fatherhood. I never wanted it. I never had a concept of being protected or being submitting by father. I was so rebellious to the pastor that sowed into my life in my early 20s back in the States. My heart was so hard to open to love.

    I became a member of NPC seaside in April this year and experienced about what’s sonship is like. Now, I want to be a son and be loved in the covenant. I found myself submitting happily to my leaders and pastors and looking for them whenever I have to make a big decision or I need life advice.

    I thank God that He never gives up and His love never fails. I still can be loved by my spiritual father and God. The relationships that I’ve built in NPC are so special and strong!

  34. Heidi Anna Chae says:

    I am so provoked by this message of the importance of spiritual fatherhood and sonship. As a young woman, I am recognizing that I am getting older because there are more and more marriages and babies popping out all around the world (literally!), through people I personally know – not just through my parents. On that note, it makes me think more and more about what I can offer and pass on as a legacy to my future children, and their generation… What are their needs? What can I do? What is something real that I could pass on that will not just be head-knowledge about God the Father, and Jesus the Son of God??

    I found the part where the leaders in the video were sharing about the relationship between Paul and Timothy as well as Jesus and His disciples so key because both these spiritual fathers saw their disciples, as valuable human beings, moreover, to the point of them being their “sons”, and from that identity, they had godly expectations on them to carry out responsibilities and such… This message gives me hope and an example to follow, not only so that I can grow in what spiritual fatherhood & sonship can be, but also for me to also pass on the truth through the system of a godly family.

  35. Donnae Shone says:

    I learned that being a son is more than an abstract idea, a concept. It’s more than simply hearing what the commander-in-chief has to say, and it’s even more than turning convictions into actions. Being a son means relationship. It means listening closely, watching intently, mimicking life intentionally: son to father. It means a two-way relationship, transparency, intimacy at its core. It means impartation of a way of life beyond that which a stranger can offer. It means secure attachment that develops maturity and an expansion of a servant heart. Being a true son means now, it means fifty years from now. Being a son never grows old, it’s not seasonal. Sons become fathers. Best be submitted, secure, Spirit-led, committed, passionate, and all-good-things fathers if we’re going to keep doing this life thing the right way.

  36. Daniel L. Kim says:

    Ok..The hook in the beginning of the video (particularly when PC came out) definitely got me. I was pretty much glued to my laptop screen from the start, and not just because i didn’t have my glasses on.

    To be honest, improper or insufficient fathership is something that I feel as if I’ve experienced for awhile now. Contrary to what others are saying in their responses, even when I was at New Philly in 2011 when I first came to Korea, I actually felt like I was not “fathered” spiritually. However, I am not saying this to pin blame on the New Philly leaders or pastors. In fact, the premise of my response to this video is based on the vitality of an equal balance in a spiritual father/son relationship. If the son is not ready to receive, and needs to be babied, ultimately it will be difficult for the father to reciprocate that relationship. I would compare this to a father trying to teach a kid how to play basketball when the kid is about 4 years old. Obviously, at that age, it will be frustrating for the father to teach the kid how to play basketball, and I imagine it would be particularly irksome if the father was an NBA player because their knowledge and skill of basketball is so high. (As a matter of fact, from a basketball standpoint, have found that the higher level a person has played or coached, the more difficult it is to teach at a level significantly lower than the level that they taught at.) Generally, though, kids at age 4 will not be physically, nor mentally, prepared to learn how to play basketball. Such was my dilemma during my first years in Korea. Because of my then still-closed minded nature, coupled with a spiritual immaturity and an arrogance that I knew a lot about God’s love, I was not in a good position to receive spiritual fathership because people were so turned off by my toxic nature.

    This brings me to my final point. I believe that in my case, because I was so volatile at that time, more than anything, patience, faith, and tough love was something that I needed very much in that era. Of course, things are significantly different now and I am very open-minded to both learning and sharing, which changes the whole game. However, were I in the same position today, I think that fathership, would have helped me eventually get to the point I am at now. Personality compatibility probably also has a lot to do with spiritual father/son relationships as well, but aside from that, I think it is important to try to relate to each’s others shoes as much as possible and from the father’s perspective, use examples from their own life (as well as scripture to support that) to help relate to what the son is going through and pave the way for them.

  37. The concept of spiritual fatherhood and son-ship was such a foreign concept to me. Even now it is still new to me. Growing up in the traditional Korean church, I always saw the pastors and leaders on staff as people above me; on a distant pedestal high enough where they could speak into your life but not close enough where they could invest into a personal relationship with you. Sure, the leaders might spend time with you here and there, maybe even buy you lunch, but they didn’t share with you their lives and they didn’t build relationship with you. I always feared my pastor and envied my leaders. Being older than me I thought it normal for them to guide me but deny me a close bond with them. If you weren’t on staff or in leadership, you weren’t allowed access into the inner circle. It always bothered me and left me feeling alone and inadequate. What did I lack that the other leaders had? A title? A position? There were some leaders who cared for me, asked me how my spiritual life was doing once in a while, but I never experienced a spiritual father-son relationship. I can’t say that I do even now. I was exposed to the idea of spiritual fatherhood when I was younger, but I think that the way my pastor tried to present it wasn’t biblical. Somehow the concept came across that the pastor was my spiritual father and his words held more weight and influence than my actual natural father. I went to my natural father and told him this and he was furious. From then on, I shied away from that idea because I thought it meant that my natural father would be replaced. But that clearly isn’t the case. Spiritual fatherhood and son-ship, from what I’ve learned through this documentary, is the presence of someone in your life who mentors you in the faith, who pours truth into your life, who shares their lives with you by loving on you, spending time with you, counseling you, and being transparent with you. Someone who doesn’t just buy you lunch, but someone who invests into your relationship with them and your relationship with God. I’ve never had a spiritual father. I’ve never really known what it means to be a spiritual son. I always went along in my walk with God thinking it was just me and Jesus and sometimes I might go to a leader for advice or counsel or accountability on something I’m struggling with. I think that through New Philly and this documentary I’m realizing how important it is to have spiritual fathers because no matter how long you’ve been in the faith or have been a believer, Christian life isn’t meant to be lived alone.

  38. Susanna Kim says:

    I was exposed to this concept of sonship and spiritual fatherhood for the first time when my sister became a son from afar of this house. At the time the concept seemed very foreign to me and I found it hard to grasp what being a spiritual son actually looked like.

    Throughout my Christian walk, I had many amazing men and woman of God lead and pastor me, but I realised that none of them were a spiritual father to me. I’ve received a lot of teaching from these leaders and pastors but there was never really a father-son type of love involved. A spiritual father invests in their spiritual sons purely out of love, but like PB and PC described, what I’ve experienced was focused on my functional aspect and being trained up for actions of ministry.

    I was able to experience walking out in sonship for the first time during my recent New Phillly missions to West Papua. Our team preacher, Pastor Marcus, manifested the father’s heart to me by entrusting and empowering me to minister in ways that I wouldn’t have believed I could if he didn’t believe in me first. After getting a taste of sonship, I now can’t imagine myself doing any kingdom work without being in sonship. I really liked how the documentary emphasised that the concept of sonship is biblical and how we need to capture the family-oriented worldview that apostle Paul had of unity in the body of Christ. This biblical aspect has made my spirit long for sonship even more and I’m really thankful that Pastor Christian demonstrates a way of life and gives teaching that I want to mimic as a son.

  39. John Lee says:

    I was first approached with the term ‘Sonship’ and ‘Spiritual Fatherhood’ since coming out to New Philly. Although I still do not understand the true definition of it, this documentary sparked an interest in my mind wanting to experience what it means to be in a spiritual fatherhood relationship. Because I grew up without a father I didn’t know what sonship was, but this video helped me to grasp the idea of what true sonship is and the importance of it.

  40. dan2jinel Jin says:

    Being a member of New Philly now for over a year, the idea of sonship naturally grew on me, and I never actually took the time to think about what this really meant. This documentary gave me the opportunity to get a glimpse as to what spiritual fatherhood and sonship is all about. Personally, growing up, I’ve always wanted some sort of a father figure, whether at home (even though I had my physical father), at school, professionally at work, and even at church. But years of constant expectation set my standards too high, and every time I found myself trying to do things on my own without some sort of a mentor, I was discouraged. I began to think, maybe mentoring no longer exists in our generation. Maybe relationships, from work to church, is suppose to be superficial, or built upon temporary interactions. And so as someone trying to figure out my own place in Church and within the Kingdom of God, I struggled on my own. But what New Philly has begun to teach me, and more importantly, show me, is that a church is more than just an institution. It’s a way of life! Just like the documentary says, it’s all about valuing people relationally first! Church is a place of familial intimacy. What we lack or what the world fails to satisfy, the church can! And it’s even more encouraging to know that this idea of a Family Church exists so explicitly in the Bible! I felt challenged in the end to know more about what it means to be a son AND a father, and the importance of understanding theology.

  41. Natalie Cheung says:

    In high school, my Christian Ethics class tried to implement the idea of having a spiritual mentor by having us look for adults that were more spiritually mature than me to guide me as I live my life. However, I never took it seriously and it ended up to be just a couple of ‘meetings’ throughout the year consisting of small talk and whatnot. Growing up, my father’s concept of fatherhood was set upon working hard and providing for the family while the relational aspect of a parent and child was always taken care of by my mother. So picturing God as a Provider and in control of all things was easier for me to capture rather than a loving and relational Dad. I have always heard about how Timothy was a special son to Paul, and that Timothy was able to reflect the life of Paul as his own, but it was always hard for me to imagine the intimacy of their relationship. After watching this documentary, I see the need of a spiritual father in my own life as well. Although we are called to live by faith, I think it is important to have an earthly example of what it means to live and walk in Christ. Having a man of God as my Father, and seeing the way he lives and reacts in life will be very beneficial and a very safe place to fall back on when I am lost and uncertain in areas of my life. Especially with society becoming more and more liberal, I need someone to teach and keep me accountable to the way I should live and react within the will of God. The concept of sonship makes me feel a bit awkward, even fearful because I’ve never been one to have deep relationships with others; I usually like to keep my distance, and actually opening up and truthfully discuss my spiritual state is really a challenge for me, but one that I certainly need. After coming to New Philly/Emmaus, I’ve been blessed to be able to open up a little bit more about my spiritual life to various people I’ve met through small groups; I’ve never really been able to discuss this with my friends back at home because most of them were not that interested in these topics or they were just people that I felt like I couldn’t open up to. I’m really looking forward to what God has in store for me and perhaps in the process find a Spiritual father for myself here in New Philly.

  42. James Song says:

    For me the concept of fatherhood and sonship is a clear concept to grasp and honestly I didn’t really have an exclamation point from watching the video. Nonetheless, the biggest learning I took away from this video was that a son must be sent by his father to continue his work.

    I always assumed that inheritance was just a material thing that a child could take for granted. I didn’t invest much time into developing a father-son relationship with my father nor my pastors. However, I did always expect to have their full blessings and favours in ways that always benefited by desires.

    A soldier must be trained before going to war. An athlete must prepare before competing. A teacher must be learned to teach. So why would a son be exempt from the necessary upbringing if he were to carry on his father’s legacy?

  43. Josh Lee says:

    Listening to this, it makes sense how New Philly members, leaders and everyone has great intimacy and relationship. Different relationships that you don’t see in schools and other churches. In my previous church, it was more like a show, just come attend and make sure my name was checked from the role. But in New Philly, its different, there is a special relationship even with people that you meet that day. And like PC mentioned, focusing more on sonship/ relationship, it establishes a firm bond in the house.
    As the pastors say here, how the father spending time with the son influences, helps the son to be more like him. And I this is really true, having discipleship and bible study is crucial but also just spending time (doing something you like together) and pouring out your love is important. The more time you spend with “that person,” the more you become like them.
    How they were describing the relationship between Paul and Timothy was something really new. It wasn’t just a teacher and a student, but the student learning, submitting, getting the heart of the rabbi. Because once you really know the heart of your father, it naturally comes out physically, in actions.
    Watching this, I can’t wait till I have discipleship again and building an intimate relationship. This is reall good!

  44. Bethany says:

    I find it interesting and somewhat upsetting that the term “sonship” was never a word that had heard of until I came to New Philadelphia. It makes me sad that not enough churches are taking on this powerful message of sonship and applying it to their own houses. Not only would the pastors be blessed by it, but the members and leaders would gain so much spiritually. If only my church back at home knew about “sonship” then maybe I would’ve felt more safe at my own church.

    What caught my attention was was P. Daniel Roberts explained that when his own pastor wouldn’t let him do something P. Daniel Roberts felt like he should do, he felt like his pastor was holding him back because there wasn’t that relational aspect between them. I realize how important it is to have that relational bond with your pastor because it not only allows them to trust you, but for you to also trust the opinions and views of your pastor.

  45. Kirstin Pak says:

    After I finally understood the concept of what spiritual Fatherhood and Sonship was all about, I thought to myself, “Yeah! Every church should have this and it all seems common sense.” However, not every church contains that intimacy and relationship that people need. I liked how Pastor Benjamin put it, that it’s really an impartation on the way of life and how you live. The way a spiritual father lives their life will be mirrored by the son because the son is connected with his Father’s heart. By being a Father, you’re passing down and you’re teaching your Son on how to live a faithful and truthful life. I was very blessed listening to this video because the concept seems so simple, but in reality, there are many people who have never had that fortunate experience on creating a strong bond and intimacy with a father.

    I don’t really understand why I haven’t heard of what spiritual Fatherhood and Sonship was before I came to New Philly because I strongly believe that every church needs to adopt this in order to become a more loving and intimate house. Especially when the pastor(s) are seen as spiritual parents of the church I can understand why it creates a family and safe atmosphere. It is natural to feel safe when you are with your parents and to experience that in a church is an amazing feeling!

  46. Hye Ryoung Rhee says:

    To be honest, having been fortunate enough to grow up in a pretty peaceful family with a loving father, the idea of ‘fatherlessness’ struck me as pretty foreign. I’d actually never heard the term “spiritual father” used before, and had never known that the concept of “sonship” was of such core value in Paul’s epistles. Through the documentary, though, I realized that even though I always grew up with a loving father at home, I grew up pretty fatherless in the house of God as I became so accustomed to church-hopping and never really realized the importance of “community.” What drew a wanderer like me to New Philly, though, was really the strong sense of intimacy that I felt was so much lacking in other churches that I’d been to. I was surprised by how loving and kind everyone was to each other and the warmth with which they greeted me when I visited the church. After watching this video, I feel like this kind of intimacy and loving relationship within the community has been made possible at least partly through New Philly’s adherence to the idea of ‘sonship’ because I feel like viewing the head pastor not just as a leader of the house but as a spiritual ‘father,’ by extension renders the church a ‘family’ and not just a community of believers. Although I have yet to grasp the full meaning of “sonship,” I look forward to joining the family and learning what it means to be covered by a spiritual father.

  47. Grace Lim says:

    Before watching this documentary, I knew that sonship was important simply by New Philly/ Ark culture but, I didn’t really grasp how and why it was so important. I used to think that as long as I had a personal and intimate relationship with God, my spiritual walk is between Him and me, given that I partake in fellowship with my brothers and sisters and respect the few community leaders that God places in my life. I believed that by immersing myself into a community, I was no longer a spiritual orphan. However, I’m beginning to understand more and more that yes, although we have a personal relationship with God and that means that we can hear our Shepherd’s voice, we are in dire need of spiritual fathers who have authority over us in the natural, over our spiritual lives, to speak wisdom, discernment, and clarity (among many other things) into our lives, and P. Benjamin says, “We should experience sonship of God by becoming a son of the house.” (This explains why New Philly takes leadership and membership so seriously.)

    Just like we constantly need to be re-filled with God’s love, we constantly need to be in relationship with a spiritual father who can pour out his heart. But, we also need to learn to receive as sons. I think so much of our generation is used to seeing church “being done” and so teaching and discipling has become so much about just educating the next generation on how to “do church effectively” but it was refreshing to hear P. Benjamin say that sonship goes beyond teaching… that it’s rather, “an impartation of a way of life.” It’s based on a relationship. It’s based on love. It’s not just about an older generation serving or teaching the next generation out of obligation or duty, or the imminent leaders trying to learn all the rules, but it’s imparting every aspect of the father’s life by committing to his son relationally.

    One thing that helped me look at sonship from a different light is when P.Erin mentioned that a spiritual father not only overlooks from above, but is also beneath you, lifting us up to catch us when we fall.

    I really respect what P. Benjamin and P. Sunhee did in ministering to the documentor, Joseph Sevier, regarding his struggle to make a decision in committing to Bolivia. As spiritual parents, they already knew what God wanted for him but they didn’t impose or force anything upon him. They trusted that God would show Joseph for himself, in his perfect timing, to speak to him in a way that was fitting and most powerful for him to receive it.

  48. when I saw the title of the documentary, “journey of sonship”. I regarded the meaning of “sonship” as only relationship between someone and God. But the idea like ‘sonship’ and ‘spiritual father’ are expended concepts and are adopted to connection with people and pastor. I want to share two thoughts with you. one thing is about the relation with God, the other one is my thought about NP’s community . I think these two are connected each other basically.
    in the beginning of video, it shows how we need a love of father. in my childhood’s memory, the love of father is conditional, unstable, limited. this is a kind of rewarding about what I did, not who I am. and for a long time I’ve adjusted this pattern of love. it was just the way that it is for me. But, when I felt love of God, after I attended NP, I could realize how I’ve longing for love of father in my whole life. the moment I realized that is start point to rely on God and love God. Although I could feel love of father, it is not easy to open my mind fully. for a long time, I was so fearful to face my inner side. Because if I did it, my the deep darkness will swallow myself. I avoided my real voice consciously or unconsciously. but now turning my face away is no longer needed in front of father and myself. Because He knew me already. I began to learn “a transparent relationship” for the first time.
    The second view is about NP and the people in here. the first impression and the most surprising thing in NP, everyone really welcome me with smile sincerely. I felt confections between people in NP are warm, stable, secure. I’ve never experience this kind of relationship in my school and work. I was curios about how they have much love and kind to others and express without fear. after watching this video. I found out the reason. the reason is sharing same vision of NP. paster of NP have a clear God’s love and deliver that to every members and walk together. Although still I have fear to deny from people, like my favorite word, “In real love, there is no feal” I’m learnig real love of sonship and love and mature continually in NP.

  49. Bernadette Keating says:

    Although I have heard the phrase ‘sonship’ many times at New Philly I realised I had absolutely no idea what it meant. When it was articulated that spiritual fathers are more than just teachers and carry an investment beyond the scope of just learning about the Bible and scripture I was even more intrigued. Especially as Pastor Benjamin said that it is an impartation of a way of life, so that the son might learn how to interpret every action of life.
    I think I made the same connection that the narrator did, if fatherlessness in our natural families can be seen to have such dire consequences as suicide and prison, then why are we not as concerned about a lack of spiritual fathers?

    Naturally I had cause to think about my own relationship with my dad. I have a great dad but a bad relationship with him, he has worked tirelessly to provide for my family meaning I hardly ever saw him – so when I heard “how much love and life a father can give to his son by being with him’ I was slightly jealous. It really highlighted to me though that although impartation and mentoring are key to sonship, the intimacy of this relationship comes from walking together with intimacy and closeness. The father can advise and direct because the gap between him and his son is never too wide. As the documentary went on to explain as a trust based relationship, the son is so comfortable that they are going to mimic the father’s way of life, he is allowed himself to be constrained by the leader’s heart. Particularly the second part, definitely speaks of a high level of trust, that you would allow someone else based on their experience and wisdom set your boundaries – to be constrained by them. Yet, then again that is what we trust God with, the constraint of our hearts.

    As someone who has not grown up in the church, I think I’m able to say I have not yet had my own experience of a spiritual father, but was deeply grateful to begin to get some idea from this video. I think you have to know what you lack first to seek it. Perhaps this might also be why this is spiritually a fatherless generation, many times we may not even be able to name what we lack.

    Through viewing this documentary and considering my own relationship to leaders within and outside of the church I learned that some of my perceptions need to shift as well. I have always felt uncomfortable being close to leaders (teachers, professors, SG leaders, pastors etc) and ensured there was distance between us. Perhaps I thought that closeness would somehow diminish our relationship. I can also see how this is directly related to the ‘individualistic version of Christianity’ that was mentioned. However, I like how several times here different people being interviewed insisted that sonship is the son’s duty as much as it is the father’s. I want to change the way I respond to and think of leaders who are in a position to speak into my life. I want to seek and be open to sonship! I learned that I am always going to be a son, that it isn’t just an identity I wear for a time or a season I go through but a constant state of being. Just as I continue to learn many things to this day from my natural parents, how much more can I learn from my spiritual father who has experienced much, knows much and also desires to come alongside me and impart into my life.

    I was also blessed by the strong conviction of Pastor Erin’s comments near the end of the video, that she is fully capable of inheriting as son and she also has a father beneath her, ready to push her up if ever she should fall. It impressed on me the power of sonship. Since coming to New Philly I have begun to see the family dynamic of the church in a greater way and the deep connections flowing within the body of Christ. I will continue to seek the intimacy of sonship and can’t wait to look back and consider it time well spent.

  50. Julie Byun says:

    Many times we hear in the news nowadays, act of horrendeous crimes, such as serial killing from a murderer who feels no sense of tiniest guilt in his actions. The media likes to point the finger at the individual, maybe a depression or mental illness the criminal suffered from, but actually the root of the problem lies in the broken links and relations within the society. That is why efforts to restore a sense of community and a relational way of life are kicking back in from all sides. The video helped me to understand that such efforts are needed not only in the social realm but also in the sprirtual realm as well.
    When I saw this video, an year ago when I was receiving the training for the first time, the side of the child /son was highlighted to me- how the child just wanted to be held, loved and comforted. This was due to partly my own brokeness coming from my personal family background and partly because of my spiritual immaturity.When I watched this video again today(at..uh..1am in the morning;;), the part that describes the power of someone just investing (time,love, relation,etc) into someone else’s life was really highlighted to me. People stopped doing this nowadays because they are too busy chasing after their own dreams – to find their God-given vision and to follow it. To go somewhere in life. When actually the most powerful thing that a person can do in life is just to take time to invest in people’s lives. To nurture them and to love on them – like a father.
    I think being a father and a son- is the very essence of how God created us and I think it is a very valuable thing … even more so since it is so scarce in the world we live in.

  51. Ji In Kim says:

    I realized after watching this that my concept of fatherhood, let alone spiritual fatherhood was very distorted. For me, the image of a father was always kind, loving, honest, and diligent on the outskirts of reality. Especially, what appeared like the “perfect father figure” in the eyes of fellow church members yet, at home the figure always above me, judging me, and the lack of communication and rebuke over all the underachievements. It really hurt my mom, sister, and me skin deep. Due to this, over time I developed a sense of independence; any and every problem that should’ve been shared and discussed between a” father and son” was always left alone for me to handle on my own. There was always such a thin line between what I can and can’t say. Thus, Pastor Erin mentioning how a father should also be beneath you and help lift you up, blew my mind. It seems simple enough; sonship. However in all honesty, I feel like it takes some longer than others to fulfill that commitment and sacrifice, to fully support and accept one another in divine love. Through God’s perfect timing once this relationship between a father and son has been set in stone, it’s amazing to witness how strong and impenetrable that bond is. Also, Pastor Erin mentioning how she is a daughter but, in spirit also a son. Therefore, she is just as capable of receiving what Pastor Christian is receiving as a son gave me a new perspective and motivation to apply this concept into my own walk with the Father.

  52. I’ve never had a spiritual father before and have never even heard of the term of sonship before I came to New Philly, but after watching this video, it finally makes sense as to why I felt like I didn’t belong in a church before. It answers my question: why I felt like the odd orphan in the house even though I plugged myself in ministries? Like Pastor Benjamin said, “Most discipleship training is based on producing better performers, actions of ministry rather than producing mature sons and daughters. “ I was trained and then sent out to do what I was told to did or needed to be done, but I lacked someone who could pour into my spiritual life. I lacked the spiritual father who could invest the time to check if I was growing well spiritually and form a relationship based on trust. I also really like what Pastor Erin said about the father from above and below. I knew there was a father looking down from above, but didn’t know there could be a spiritual father from below who could pick us up when I fall too. If I had that knowledge back then, it would have been awesome! Now that I’ve figured out that what I was looking for the whole time was sonship; that it can bring in family intimacy in the church, I want it!.

  53. Until I came to NPC, I had no idea about sonship and fatherhood! I had always learned about God being our father in heaven but it was just a concept to me. I thought God was far and distant from where I was. However, during my time at New Philly and especially before/during summer missions in Jakarta, I was able to understand what sonship was- that sons have full inheritance and full access to God.

    When you know your identity as a son, you’re unstoppable! Really! Before, I was all about working my way up to God but now I understand that sons don’t strive. This was very difficult to actually practice and not just understand, especially on the missions field when you’re a complete beginner and you don’t really know what your doing! But in the midst of pressure, I was comforted by the fact that sons can’t fail and as PE said, God is there above you but also beneath you to push you up. Sons aren’t just his children, but they are able to do all the works of Jesus and more! That’s crazy!

    I think experiencing the Father’s love and knowing your identity as a son is the most important part of a Christian because everything you do starts from that place of knowing who you are in the spirit.

  54. Vicky Lee says:

    The clip clearly depicted the true essence of sonship. Fatherlessness being coined as an “epidemic” was oh-so-rightly put. :]
    The statistics of “the epidemic” of fatherlessness really helped me to grasp the seriousness of this issue. And the sheer joy illuminate on the speakers face in describing his security with his father said more than could have been possible through words.

    The necessity for true kinship with the father, portrayed from the teachings of the Apostle Paul, was an eye opener to the importance of this relationship. I liked how PB described it as an “impartation of a way of life”, and how PC called it the “relational aspect of the kingdom”. If you really think about it, that’s what Christianity really is! Love and intimacy through/in relationships. 😛

    I am privileged to be a part of a community that understands this concept of an authentic father-son relationship. To be in covenant with the church community as a family, really helps me to establish a spiritual identity.Thank you!

  55. Eunhye Chloe Cho says:

    Before watching the video, i had some concept of ‘sonship’ following God’s way and sometimes accepting sacrifice like that. But after watching this video, i was truly aware of what is ‘sonship’ and i was able to realize how important having trust and bond between father and son is.
    i think ‘intimacy’ between father and son is the key point. even when i think about my physical father, he has always loved and blessed me and i also have trusted and relied on him. we have had deep intimacy and that connection made me be able to be happy and safe in my life.
    Likewise, to be really enjoying being in father’s love, we need to have truly deep sonship!
    thinking that i’m really blessed to be in this chuch and i’m sure taking leadership class will grow my sonship :)

  56. Sonship was a concept that was foreign to me and was very hard for me to grasp when I first came to New Philly because I initially thought of it as having a personal relationship with the pastor and relying on the pastor for spiritual support. I kept thinking, “New Philly emphasizes the idea of sonship and of a spiritual father, but if I don’t feel personally connected to him, how can I say he is my spiritual father and that I am under sonship?”

    But I think the documentary cleared up alot of the misgivings I had about the idea of sonship, especially by finding references in the Bible that talked about sonship and identifying Paul and Timothy as a prime example of a spiritual father and a son.

    I think the biggest lesson I’m taking away from the film is not just the importance of having a spiritual leader who has a father’s heart, but the importance of having a heart like the son, which means submitting to the father and following him in every walk of life. Yes, having a personal relationship and that intimacy with the spiritual father is important, but sonship is not only about having someone to go talk to about your problems. It is about being in sync with the spiritual father in regards to his doctrines and his teachings and living them out.

  57. Growing up in the church my whole life, I was always surrounded by church leadership who were always eager and willing to “invest” in me once they saw that I was willing to serve the church in some way. I saw this even during time on leadership in my college ministry, and this left me very disillusioned and hurt. There was no real investment into my life after my term on leadership was over. Watching this video and continuing to hear what the concept of sonship is at New Philly is challenging my whole view of how I see the authority figures in my life. They aren’t meant to be there to just instruct me on the Word and make sure I’m being fed consistently. Looking back, the lack of authority figures wanting to love on me relationally and value me relationally first, before looking at how I could serve the local church community, really left me with a rebellious attitude. And while before I was quick to blame my twisted attitude on the faults of man,God has reawakened the idea that he means for me to submit to the authority he’s put in my life, and in turn that authority should be fathering me like a son. And the fact that I’m called God’s son should be a mindset that I have because it takes a son to know the heart of his father. This whole concept of having a pastor be my spiritual father is kind of rocking my world in terms of how I had viewed authority, and I realize that it consequently has affected the way I view God. Being a son means trusting and submitting to authority, and this submission actually puts me in a place of authority and empowerment to properly steward the inheritances God has given to me as a father.

  58. Yii Koah Kien says:

    I gotta say, that i knew nothing about sonship in Christ before i came to New Philly. Growing up in a Methodist church, the concept of sonship was neither practiced or being mentioned to the church members. While every church has a Pastor there to develope discipleship, it led me to even wonder “Why is there a need for sonship when we are already practising discipleship in many ways? What actually makes the difference?”

    When Pastor Benjamin mentioned that a Spiritual Father not only ministers to his Sons, but also intercepts and fully cares about what and how they’re doing in their lives, those questions immediately became invalid. From what I’ve learned, a Pastor ministers and preaches the word of Gospel, but a Spiritual Father ministers with EVERYTHING he knows in his life and teaches them to his Sons, so that they can live the way their Spiritual Father does (spiritually). Likewise, Pastor Benjamin also mentioned about Paul and Timolthy’s sonship, that when Timolthy is being sent out to minister and preach, through him people will see and be reminded of his Spiritual Father, Paul.

    Lastly, it just stood out for me when Pastor Erin said about not having a father who’s above you and looking at you, but a father who’s beneath you and be right there to push you whenever you fall. I think that just clearly speaks of how significant it is to have a Spiritual Father in our Spiritual walk. So i guess a Pastor and a Spiritual Father, in real life one of them is like our tuition teacher while the other is similar to our own biological dad :)

  59. ShinYoung Park says:

    If we talk about the Lord being as my spritual father, I would understand easily and agree with it. But if the video also talk about ‘the man’ being as one’s spritual father… I’m being confused with various mixed thoughts.
    My parents both were C.C.C leaders(Korea) during college life, very bible-centered but haven’t experienced any spritual realms. They are not against my testimonies but don’t understands fully which make me little lonely.
    I had 2-3 mentors who really made me grew in Christ which is a blessing. Although I’m confused between mentorship and fathership. One of them is a big church pastor that I use to attend. I know that he is very busy and have his own church members to take care of. The other one was a leader from small group fellowship. There was already a spritual family like environment and sonship(?) relationship going on but I saw how these intimacies even can be broken and scattered eventually.
    More and more, I make myself think ‘I shouldn’t depend on people too much. I should solve this with God directly from now on..’ A man can’t take the full responsibility for the other… ,however, I do long for a church like a family in Bible…
    I hope to learn more through out this church and see how God moves me closer to his heart and plan for the church.

  60. David Hong says:

    I was first exposed to the words “spiritual father,” “sonship,” “spiritual orphans” when I first came to New Philadelphia Church. These words seemed so foreign to me and yet, after watching this documentary, I realized that this concept is actually not so foreign at all. In fact, I realized that it was precisely the lack of a “spiritual father” figure during my formative years in youth group that made me, and many of my peers, gradually fall away from the church. (A six-year period of lawlessness and rebellion ensued during college, but I am now happy to be on a slow process of spiritual rehab.) I thought back to my youth group days when I served actively in various ministries, serving as praise leader, even going on missions trips abroad. Yet, I remember often feeling empty, bitter, and confused. While I was unable to establish deep, intimate, and loving relationships with my head Pastor or even my small group leader, these same people were the most demanding when it came to my performance as praise leader and in upholding my “important role” in the youth group. As Pastor Christian pointedly remarked in the documentary, I felt I was being perceived for my “functional value” or expectations. These were also the same people that would attempt to exercise authority over us, and rebuke us whenever we would do something wrong. As a result, many of my peers resented the leadership and simply left. I felt all these things at the time, but could not identify what the core issue was, and I quickly became numb to the issue and never bothered to make sense of it again. Watching this documentary many, many years later, and learning more in-depth about the concept of spiritual fatherhood/sonship gave me new insight not only of the importance of this concept in the body of Christ, but also in helping me look back and make sense of my past; to identify what was wrong and finally bring closure to the issue. It’s one thing to have someone preach the Scriptures down your throat, but it’s another thing to have someone in whom you can be close and intimate and share your life with. Now equipped with the theory behind this concept, I look forward to start anew and have this concept be fully realized at New Philadelphia Church going forward.

  61. WOW! Recently I read that apart from Jesus dying for our sins on the cross, he also came to reveal God’s new name and identity for the first time. He came to reveal God to us as Father.
    The way that Jesus used analogies, parables and stories is so powerful to me. Instead of taking forever to describe what God is like, he instead likened him to someone most of us know something about.

    Paul jumps on this picture and continues talking about being a father and what that means.

    I learned from all of this that there needs to be a deep connection, intimacy, trust and transparency between a spiritual father and son. It is healthy to have someone to learn from, and it is healthy to invest in other sons. I was amazed to hear again of how fatherless people are more likely to fail in life.

    My heart as rebel is being changed to one that yearns to be fathered. I long for that impartation from a spiritual dad in the days to come and to be shown how to love and how to live.

    I believe, that as I heard messages that reveal God as a father to me, who loves me for who I am versus how well I perform, what I will do will be even more powerful and significant because it will flow from my identity rather than out of a striving.

  62. Samuel Choi says:

    I’m so glad to have come across this teaching. I feel that this is a crucial element that is missing in a lot of churches. I think it is an accurate diagnosis of the church that it has lost this essential teaching. We’re often too focused on having individual freedom. It’s really just pride in disguise and ultimately Luciferian.

    I think this teaching also ties in really well with that of covering. It actually shed a lot of light on the Do Not Go Naked sermon. In the paradigm of fatherhood, you birth someone, then take care of them for life. And in that process is covering. It’s completely natural: no good father would allow his son to go around naked.

    I especially love how there is a process. You care for someone until they are ready to be sent. They have earned your trust and you trust them to represent your life and your teachings. Then you send them, but the relationship doesn’t end there. It’s not extrinsic. It’s life-long. I like how the one pastor said that it is arrogant to think that one could ever not need a father. Again, this ties into the idea of going outside of covering.

    I’m glad that P. Benjamin explained why there is a lack of spiritual fatherhood in the protestant church. I was starting to think of the potential dangers of this teaching, looking at the papacy as an example. But probably the reformers went a bit overboard and indeed threw the baby out with the bathwater.

    It is kind of scary to think about entering into such a relationship because it’s no light matter. But I suppose it doesn’t make much sense to want to keep playing in the mud like a homeless orphan. Along with the submission comes the protection, relationships, and all the benefits of being a member of a household.

  63. Andres Park says:

    This video implies that being a christian and loving Jesus is not so much about following simple doctrines but about coming into relationship with God and with his people. The emphasis comes back to learning how to love one another in the same manner that the Trinity does. The Bible constantly shows us that Jesus submitted to God and was honored by Him because of this. In the same manner, I believe that people are freed and brought closer to God by loving and honoring faithful servants of God. Although miracles may temporarily increase one’s faith, it is loving and being loved by God and His people which truly transforms and matures us.

  64. Paul Moon says:

    Towards the end of the documentary, Matt Tejuco said mentioned it wasn’t until he came to Christ in church that he first heard a man say “I love you”. To Matt, to hear a man say those words, is unspeakable, strange, and maybe even uncomfortable. The fact is that slowly, those three simple words spoken to sons and spoken to fathers have become unnatural.

    However, I am blessed to say that i was spared what could later have become emotional trauma and/or baggage. In the Korean community, it is well know that Korean men (older generation) have a hard time expressing their emotions. My grandfather fit this stereotype “down to the t”. He left my father and his family to pursue the calling of ministry that God had call for in his life. And although my grandfather left with good intentions, this left my father to take care of his family at a young age and had left bitterness in his heart towards his father. This bitterness could have transferred to the next generation but my father went against this stereotype. My father had no hesitation in showing his love for my brother and I through both words and actions. His heart for me was a reflection of God the Father’s heart for me. Although God designed for us to learn this within our own biological families, sin has tainted and perversed the institution that God has designed. And so many sons and daughters grow up without experiencing sonship. The church needs to step up to bridge this gap, not only imparting teaching but also the impartation of a way of life.

    At New Philly, I really see that the congregation views the pastors as the father of the house and vice versa, the pastors view the congregation as their sons. In turn, in this house, I see Fatherhood is being Restored.

  65. Jina Nam says:

    I grew up in a very loving household where up until now I thought I had it all – loving, wise, supportive, and funny parents who provided for me, loved me and disciplined me.

    But now I find myself craving for more – for more intimacy, connection, and father-son (“daughter”) relationships. I didn’t know that as spiritual children of God we could still be “spiritual orphans”, but it all makes sense to me now.

    It amazes me how our father-son relationship with God can start from the ones we have here on this earth. There’s a reason why God created families, why He emphasizes families; so that through our natural families we can have a starting base and understanding on what He can offer us, and what our relationship with Him is to be like. So as a daughter with a strong natural father, I can understand that with my spiritual father I can have just as much – or even more – intimacy, trust, connection, love and mentoring, and have a strong relationship like that with God as well. Just thinking about it makes me hungry for more than what I have with just my natural father.

    And through this leadership, as I submit and humble myself to my spiritual parents, I pray that by learning from them, growing in intimacy with them (and my brothers and sisters), and by connecting with them, I too can learn their way of life (and Jesus’ way of life) so that one day, I can be a father/mother to someone as well.

  66. After watching this video clip, i think now i better understand one of New Philly core values, father the fatherless. Having lived my life without even knowing the concept of the orphan spirit, now I think I have strived to be loved or to draw attention from my parents or other people. But like pastor Benjamin and many others in this clip said, proclaiming oneself as a son of God and acting upon it is to be done before to steward the word of God for other people as the spiritual father.
    To be honest, I was not sure if I should take this leadership in this season thinking of myself not ready yet. Even i felt overwhelmed. But I loved how they described the importance of balance to be a son of God under the same rooftop of the church and, at the same time, also to be spiritual father to each other. I may not strong enough, but God has the mighty power and I am here on this land as one of His image. So by valuing people relationally as pastor Christian said here, I am taking the very first but crucial step into His kingdom. all out of God’s overflowing love and wisdom and seeing from the point of His views.

  67. Kayla Black says:

    Before coming to New Philly, I had never heard of ‘sonship’ before. Even still the feeling and concept feels a bit foreign to me. In my past churches my pastors were ‘teachers,’ sure, ‘respected elders,’ yep, and some were ‘role models’…but a ‘father’ ? That kind of personal level, commitment, and unconditional love is something I wouldn’t/couldn’t regularly think to expect from a pastor who, in my eyes, has a million other responsibilities that they need to take care of for God besides me. For me to expect such a relationship…from someone else that is not a biological father, but a spiritual family member…wow. I think it would take some serious getting used to. If anything I might feel a little guilty even, as my relationship would be taking their time. Logistically it seems like an impossible concept.

    But the more that i think about it the more it makes sense and I can understand why Paul would have stressed its importance so much. There shouldnt be a burdensome/guilty feeling when spending time with a family member. Its unconditional love and its natural. It’s a family, the church. The example of Rabbis and their students gives us a good example and I look forward to seeing what it means here at New Philly.

  68. Anastasia Tin (Seaside Campus) says:

    This video helped me to realize once again the importance of having a biblical structure in christianity of spiritual Fatherhood and Sonship, that the Body of Christ is should be One, that single parts of the Body of Christ can not function properly by themseleves, on their own, that the mighty warriors of Christ on the battle field must stand together and face whatever spiritual war, that’s confronting us, in one unity. You can not fight on your own. God sent us to this world to establish his Kingdom!
    Ecclesiastes 4:12 New International Version (NIV)
    12 Though one may be overpowered,
    two can defend themselves.
    A cord of three strands is not quickly broken.

  69. I didn’t grow up in the church, but I remember having come from a broken home myself, that interaction with my father was limited to every other weekend for nine years of my life. When I was 13, I moved in with my father and stepmother. It was at this point that he started pouring into my life giving me confidence that I was lacking. It was through his faith in me that I was able to break off the chains of low self-expectations and strive to pursue a college education.

    For many years, I really had struggled finding a church that fostered this idea of fatherhood. Most churches appeared to be nothing more than mere social clubs. I felt that many from church did not take time to personally invest time in, disciple and encourage me.

    In college, a church I had attended had the right idea. Couples could adopt college students and help mentor them. I was invited over to my adopting family’s house a few times, and occasionally they made care packages for me before midterm and final exams. They did not however invest time to get to know and disciple me beyond doing just what it took to make themselves look good within the congregation of their church.

    Going from church to church, I had struggled finding people that would take the time to be father figures. I went in and out of sin as a result, and have made decisions that had adversely affected my life.

    Through watching this video, I had thought about what had been lacking in my life spiritually. I feel Fatherhood naturally fosters genuine relationships and deep connectedness, something I have longed for for a large part of my life. This form of fathering leadership inspired by Jesus Christ, and communicated through the teachings of Paul, gives me hope that the church can be a loving family that genuinely cares for its members.

    Blessings for this awesome rediscovery of truth that had been lacking in the church for many years. Thank you for putting together this video, for it has really deepened my understanding of what the Church should be.


  70. carol lee says:

    I feel Ive been living without knowing my real identity as a son of God. When pastor Erin shared about being a daughter, but having in mind that she is a son in fact, because sons get the inheritance, made me realize how my concept of being a child of God is twisted. Even though I know that God is my dad and I can rely on Him, in the same way, Ive been putting some limitations to what is the love of the Father. Thinking about the discipline of God before His love and acting as His love is something that I can get it through “being good”. And I related these attitudes with the idea of living as a daughter. The idea of being a daughter without inheritance is about living afraid and worried about what is going to happen later because nothing is yours and to think that you are in the second place because the sons are the priority. And I dont wanna live like that anymore. I am missing a lot of what is the love of God in fact. I only wanna understand that fully

  71. InAi Kang says:

    It’s a fair assessment to say that fatherlessness is an epidemic. The world culture has long been creating a normality (esp in the US I think) on the mind set of independence and self-reliance. These are not by any means bad traits to have but when you combine that with the rising percentage of broken homes and absent fathers it creates a generation that leans on no one; man or God.
    If you grow up without a solid father figure in your life or your image of what a father should be ends in disappointment it can be hard to submit to that father authority that we need from our pastors/God. BUT THEN! Once you come into submission of your spiritual father you realize that everything you had been looking for in your worldly father is already and has always been there in GOD THE FATHER.

  72. This is so true, so powerful. God is restoring the “home. by putting in place spiritual fathers and spiritual sons.
    By far the greatest breakthrough and healing in my spiritual life was receiving the revelation of the Father heart of God. Growing up without a father and surrounded by broken father-son relationships it was hard to understand who the Father was. But receiving this revelation has established me in my identity and broke off false identities I’ve taken on, it also healed me of deep emotional wounds and feelings of fatherlessness, and stripped me of a spirit of rebellion.
    It is therefore also a deep desire to be a spiritual son, to have a spiritual father; to be a spiritual father and have spiritual sons.
    This relationship between spiritual father and son is a relationship where there is safety to pursue one’s calling with covering. It is where there is power of inheritance, oneness, guidance, care and love.
    The desire is to move from unity to sonship.

  73. Nina Park says:

    I look very much foward in discovering and experiencing what sonship and being fathered is about.This notion is somewhat new to me but definitely makes sense because in a way I believe we all yearn for this spiritual father and son relationship. It might seem like the obvious but being able to learn and discover this wonderful relation is a true blessing. I was crushed to realize not long ago that all my life I thought I knew God and thought I was living the christian life but to discover that I was a spiritual orphan was very sad and heartaching but at the same time delivering (because my walk of life was not that of a daughter or son of God). I feel like I need to relearn being a true son who stands in from of God as his true child.

  74. Kim MacDonald says:

    After watching this video took some time to think before I wrote my comment. All I could think about was how I so desperately wanted this! Before coming to New Philly I had never heard of this concept. In Canada there is lots of talk about discipleship but not about sonship. I believe that I have had spiritual mothers and fathers but it was NEVER called that! At first it was weird for me, but after watching this and learning about it at church it makes so sense. There is huge gap in the family structure around the world where fathers are absent or not there at all. God has called the church to stand in the gap for many things so why not this. If the church as a whole can get this mentality then I think that there may be hope for future generations.

  75. This was very informative to my life. I’ve had many spiritual fathers over my journey. I just never knew they were fathers, and it helps me understand our relationship and how I can continue to be there son, even though I’m not geographically near them now. It also helps me see how weak our team was for church planting last year. We did not have spiritual fathers out there with us. We thought more that we were sons, and have left our father’s house, to make our way in the world. New Philly keeps naming and explaining obscure concepts that I’ve half known my whole life. I have a much deeper understanding of being a son, and I’m excited to reconnect with my fathers and enjoy their love and covering more and more.

  76. Kanyanta Mubanga says:

    Pastor Benjamin said “…spiritual fatherhood is about the impartation of a way of life…”, and he talked about the individualistic version of Christianity that has been practised since the reformation. This reality is not obvious until you hear this message and considering how clear it is in the Bible, it’s amazing how little attention it has been given. My understanding of Christianity and Ministry is constantly being challenged and this is another new big concept to me. Pastor Christian spoke about valuing people relationally in a family way. I guess this is what Christianity is all about. Taking one’s place in the household of God and giving and receiving love. I look forward to gaining more and understanding about and becoming more aware of the reality of this.

  77. Seungwon Lee says:

    As a newly saved Christian who grew up in a Catholic household, I didn’t really understand the concept of what Christianity really is about and a spiritual father. At first I didn’t really understand why people need a spiritual father and the specific role of what it is all about. But after being in New Philly for a while, I truly got to appreciate having someone looking out for you in all dimensions of life; spiritual, emotional, relational well-being. And I got to experience true discipline as I was brought up very spoiled with not much discipline from my parents. I realized strict discipline is really needed as it benefits the child and makes him grow and mature. I learned a lot upon being in New Philly of what true relationships should look like and what a family should be like.

  78. Jihyun Roh says:

    After watching the documentary, the first thing that came across my mind was a new definition of discipleship. I used to think that discipleship was more like helping other believers just get to know God and how we live our lives as Christians. It wasn’t quiet intimate and relational but just instructing to my fellow believers. Honestly disciplining someone and being discipled have been strongly established in my journey with the Lord yet and I haven’t felt a strong need for discipleship either.
    However, while watching the documentary I kept thinking Fatherfood and Sonship are the discipleship that I have been lacking and need greatly at this time of my life. I’ve learned that Sonship takes a lot of work such as a long term relationship, commitment, respect, teachablity, and love between children of God, who also should be spiritual fathers and spiritual sons for one another.

    As I am learning a lot of things through this leadership training, I am looking forward to having relationships with my spiritual fathers by learning from them and sharing life with them.

  79. This documentary addresses the the problem of our “fartherless gerneation.” We have simply have an abundance of bible study teachers, but what we need are spiritual fathers. The statistics listed about fatherless homes and the likely outcomes of those children amazed, and it is so true that this applies then to the health of our faith and churches. The spiritual orphan attitude is prevelant and even thinking to a few chuches I attended growing up I can see how our pastors even had that orphan spirit. I love how this new focus on sonship really brings out the heart of Pauline theology, and it his words are so much more relevant.

    This teaching really clicks with me because my heart feels these issues. The relational and intimate aspects talked about are what I pursue. Now though, I have a language/termonology to put with thiese feelings as well as their significance biblically and in the church. Many people come from broken families, a background that I don’t relate to that well, but I understand now the grace I was under growing up and how that same covering can completely changes others lives when they are brought into that intimae family of brothers and sisters.

    Lastly, one of my favorite parts was about those students following their rabis. It really stressed the actions and not the knowledge. You learn from observing the life not just hearing the words, and when we step into that kind of relationship with our leader, we are shaping our faith to be a faith of action.

  80. I learned that we have to be under the covering of the Lord. It is important to be under a spiritual covering to protect our minds, bodies, and souls from spiritual attacks. I think that when living in another country, it is crucial for you to be covered to avoid attacks from the enemy. We have to learn to love and obey and have a strong, intimate relationship with our spiritual fathers and mothers.

  81. Pingping Kan Rogers says:

    I agree with the idea& the philosophy that this video presents. All that men desires is unfailing love, & we first experience& learn about love from our parents& families, not only about love, even about our very self-identity, & model of life. In Malachi 4:6, the fruit of repentance is represented as ” turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers;” I have wondered why is this Father-child relationship so important. I think this video gives a good answer to my question. I also agree that it’s common to find preachers& teachers in churches, but it’s so rare& precious to find spiritual father or mother in life. I look forward to discover & experience more in practice on this issue at New Philly. —- Pingping Kan Rogers ( from Seaside)

  82. Joyce Lee says:

    I’m so glad that i go to a church that practices this. It feels so right; the church is a place of intimacy where we are a family and where we are under the covering of a spiritual father, and what Pastor Benjamin says in the beginning of the video (although kind of funny the way he said it) made me so happy, that sometimes we just need the “bosom” of a father. It helps me to see God’s love as a father for us. I think that it’s particularly the broken that need this in their lives. They need the Father’s love each time they show rebellion, each time they try to run away, etc.. The Father’s unrelenting love. Even though I don’t know PC personally, i feel love from him, and i think that’s cool cause it’s probably the spirit of sonship doing its thing.

  83. Jamie Yoo says:

    The documentary raises crucial issues that the protestant churches face today, specifically related to spiritual fatherhood. First, Pastor Benjamin Robinson comments that up until the Reformation, the church structure and life, which had always integrated a model of spiritual fatherhood and sonship, has evolved into an individualistic model in the local churches. The problem isn’t a lack of bible teachers, educators, preachers, or leaders in the churches today, but rather an absence of spiritual fathers in the “household of God.”

    B. Robinson further comments that the theology of spiritual fatherhood and sonship was always in Paul’s epistles, though more explicit work needs to be done to draw out the teaching and its applications throughout the New Testament. He explains that this paradigm of fatherhood-sonship was present even in rabbinic Judaism. The disciples of rabbis in early Israel would follow the rabbis to observe their ways of life so as to adopt and mimic them. Hence, P. Robinson teaches that spiritual fatherhood is about the “impartation, not simply of basic spiritual information or bible verses or even theological presuppositions,” but of doing life on a daily basis. As “spiritual sons,” they are to do more than merely learn facts of the bible or theology. It’s about “learning how to interpret Scripture into every action of life.”

    Additionally, Pastor Robert Daniels emphasizes the significance of knowing how to be a “son” even as a father. He points to Jesus who was always a son even as an everlasting Father. And hence, he seems to say that the crux of spiritual fatherhood is spiritual sonship. To be a father, one must also be a son. This teaching invalidates the claim that “spiritual fatherhood” aims to possess and abuse power and authority over the sons. Fatherhood and sonship are not polar opposites or paradoxical. In fact, Jesus shows us that “the power of fatherhood is knowing how to be a son.”

  84. Paul Yoo says:

    This generation is growing up in an increasingly fatherless world. What they need is not merely teaching. There are ten thousand teachers and guides in Christ out there, and anyone can access them online. But that’s not enough. Ministry can never be only about teaching, and discipleship is much more than merely gaining knowledge. Jesus told Peter to feed the sheep, but he also said to take care of his sheep (John 21). What this generation needs is spiritual fathers. Indeed, teaching and exhortation and encouragement are part of what it means to be a father (1 Thess 2:11-12). But a father does all that and more.

    I feel that I had intuitively embraced this and embodied a father’s heart towards the youth group that I previously pastored. There’s something so powerful about taking on and displaying the father’s heart to your people. And that father’s heart can only grow out of love and prayer, getting God the Father’s heart for people.

    I appreciate the practical effect of the spiritual father paradigm that PC points out. We are to value people relationally because of who they are, and they can then serve out of that identity. That point especially rings powerfully in the context of the Korean church, which has so emphasized being a servant that other biblical roles faded into irrelevance.

    The heart of the model is a welcome renewal in the church as God’s household. May this be a direction that much of the church moves toward in the years to come.

  85. Hanna Hong says:

    During orientation, PC clearly taught the importance of sonship, but this video taught what sonship is, what it is not, and what that relationship looks like. Sonship is not just about a father teaching his son Bible verses; rather, a father investing his time, sharing his life, loving, being transparent, and investing so that his son cannot solely mimic, but reproduce. A spiritual father is not temporary nor inessential, but imperative for spiritual maturity.

  86. Sonship and spiritual fatherhood are both things that my home church in Vancouver values very much, but I’ve never given much time to really ponder over it and consider what it means to me personally. Watching this documentary was very helpful for me to begin thinking about sonship and what it looks like/could look like in my own life.

    The part that most stood out to me and that I’m still chewing on now is how fathers take the son in. They open up their lives and invite the son to observe their every move, both public and private, and they give the son not only their teachings, but their heart. I love this. This is how Jesus chose to disciple the twelve, by living with them and allowing them to follow him and watch him and learn how to live life through his interactions and experiences with the world. It’s how Paul discipled Timothy. Whenever I read about Jesus and his disciples, Paul and Timothy, I would always crave that kind of relationship in my life. To have someone cover me in their wisdom and to be vulnerable enough to let me into their whole life and allow me to follow them and to learn from them for a long long time would be the greatest gift. I found myself thinking, ‘Ah. So this relationship I’ve been craving, this is called sonship.’

    Truthfully, though, I have been blessed with a number of mentor figures who have walked with me for a season, teaching me and guiding me and sharing their heart with me. But I think of 1 Corinthians 4:15: ‘For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers,’ and I think what I really long for, though I love all who have guided me, is someone who will walk with me through many seasons and with whom I can make that covenant connection.

  87. Ikhimiukor Henry says:

    From this documentary I realised that the knowledge of the word without a relationship with God through a spiritual father creates an individualistic approach to Christianity. I also realised that as a son, without a father figure to love, care, teach, counsel, advice, rebuke, and imitate, I would be rebellious and confused with no direction. Hence a spiritual father play a great role in impacting and shaping the life of a son who will eventually become a father someday.

  88. Sophia Sitorus says:

    At first I was all-in for the ‘sonship’ in New Philly because I knew I need a spiritual mentorship/covering (I never had one in my life). But watching this video made me a little bit hesitant. I thought “sonship” and “mentorship” were the same. I was fine with “mentorship” but I am not sure if I was ready for “sonship”. When I discovered that “sonship” takes a greater level of intimacy, I got a little bit afraid. Afraid of being let down with expectation. I knew I want it and I need it, however, will I be able to really meet a spiritual father who wants to invest on me?
    Being in NP really challenges me to be vulnerable. I am used to take care of everything on my own, think about everything on my own, keeping most of the things on my own. I rarely asked for guidance. I am capable of guiding people and let people to trust me in a deep way, but I rarely open up to people the deeper side of my thoughts, feelings, and faith. However, here, I am really being challenged. Especially being challenged to have expectations. I am confronting the fear of ‘what if you expect things and you don’t get what you expect for?’. And I know God loves me too much to let me keep that kind of mindset. He wants me to expect things. I am going to be obedient in His leading and opening up for NP family to get to know me in a deep level. Sonship is not a theory, it has to be experienced. I am going to expect that I will come into a place of intimate sonship in NP.

  89. HyeJoo Lee says:

    The documentary mainly focused on the need of sonship and spiritual fatherhood in the church, but I also saw sonship and fatherhood heavily applicable to myself as an individual. Love is perhaps the greatest thing in the Bible: “This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins” (1 John 4:10), but I am constantly unsure of how to “love” someone and show the very love that God has for me. How do I spiritually love my friends? Love my enemies? In other words, what is the correct way to love someone?
    The video mentioned 1 Thessalonians 2:7-8, and this really shed a new light on my questions of how to love. Loving is to see others as “sons,” ‘nursing’ them and to be ‘delighted to share with them not only the gospel of God but my life as well’. This fatherly, motherly, parental love is so unique too in that it’s not just spoiling your son, but, just as God is for us, being just and caring in a much more deeper way than simply doting upon a person. The son/father relationship is perhaps the true relationship that God wanted among his people.
    I’ll finish up with what Pastor Erin stated towards the end about how God is above us AND beneath us, lifting us up from below. This was so powerful, and I was challenged to reflect this bilateral love of God for others around me–to humble myself below others but simultaneously, through humility, be able to lift them up.
    I am just so glad that I can call God, Father.

  90. JoAngela Jimenez says:

    I have attended many churches and this is the first time I have heard of the importance of sonship. Actually many of the churches I have attended in the past have placed a glass wall around leaders and pastors and make it creates an environment that these people are untouchable or unapproachable. I am really pleased to know that this church is so invested in being a Father to everyone who is within the church. It is so important that the church feels like a family, a second home and not just a place we go to on Sundays. Taking the Sonship approach really creates a family atmosphere within the congregation.

    I was also pleased that this video addressed women as sons and not just daughters. As a female, I am happy to know that I deserve and am just as valuable as my fellow Christian brothers. This message is so important for women to hear and I am thankful that this video addressed this message as well.

  91. Jane Cho says:

    I had two questions about sonship prior to watching this. The first was regarding the depth of sonship and the second was, our son-father relationship with Pastors Christian and Erin. Being a member of the Itaewon campus, I would always hear “our spiritual mother and father, Pastor Christian and Erin” during the offering prayer and it initially confused me. I had no relationship, let alone an interaction with the pastors from Hillside, so I accepted this as a substitute phrase for “lead pastors” and “helpful mentors” for only as long as I am in Korea. Victor Cervantes and Benajmin Robinson addressed this stark difference that sonship is not seasonal, nor limited to advice-giving, but an intimate journey that demonstrates a way of life.

    PC and PE very distinctly breathe life and love to our church body in a way I have never experienced before. Regardless of our minimal interaction, I always feel their deep compassion and care, and am still blown away by this. The capacity of their love truly exemplifies the heart God has for His church, and so I am humbled to enter into a place of deeper process and learning.

  92. Jessie Lee says:

    This documentary made me reflect about why I could not consider anyone my spiritual father until now. I have been clueless about the concept of spiritual fatherhood and sonship, but I felt blessed while watching the documentary by remembering the spiritual leaders that God put in my life. Those leaders poured into it, offered me guidance and support in many ways, and even helped me to understand this concept now. The level of intimacy, accountability, and submission was not as deep as it seems to be in a spiritual father and son relationship, and I think that I have not fully grasped it yet, but I am glad that God has been revealing it to me through the people who had been around me and this church.

  93. Rebekah Kim says:

    Though I’ve been going to church for my whole life, I’ve never considered anyone to be my spiritual father, and I never thought there was anything unbiblical about a lack of spiritual mother/father. I always thought “That’s just how it is.” Not to say that I never received guidance, wisdom and teaching coming from spiritual mentors, but there was little intimacy. And starting years ago, I knew that aspect of intimacy was missing, and it was something I really wanted, though I wasn’t sure why at the time. But now that I see the intimacy between the spiritual father and son clearly in the bible, I know that it’s not just something that I personally want, but it’s something I need.

    I appreciated the clarification of what the father and son’s relationship produces: not an imitation, but an impartation of a way of life. The son doesn’t have to try to mimic the father, because the son has lived with the father and knows the father.

  94. Alina Cho says:

    Oh wow. Growing up you always hear of girls having Daddy’s issues and continuously searching for something to fill the void of their missing father. However, after listening to this message, I realize that children who grow up and develop serious issues come from fatherless households. A father is the rock of a family and without a father’s presence and guidance, the family becomes unbalanced and easy prey for Satan. But I have also learned that not only is a father important for families but a spiritual father is important for keeping you accountable. A father isn’t someone who you should fear but someone who encourages and keeps you on track. Also, it was interesting what Pastor Erin said about how daughters are also sons. I never really understood this concept, being a girl, that sons receive the inheritance but it is clearer now how everyone is a son and will receive the inheritance.

  95. Rose Balais says:

    After watching the video, I reflected and asked myself if there are people in my life whom I can consider my spiritual parents. The first people that came into my mind were my parents who are pastors and missionaries. However, after thinking and reflecting about it for a long time, I’ve realized that there is no one, not even my parents whom I can consider as my spiritual parents. Don’t get me wrong though, my parents are great, and I’m pretty sure they are always covering me in prayer, but for most of the time, they were so busy with their ministry and pouring into other people’s lives they really hadn’t had the time to pour into my mine. Growing up, I always had the mindset that other people need it more than I do, so I was okay just watching both of my parents from the sidelines as they minister to other people. But through this video, I’ve realized that it is not okay. It is not okay for me to just watch from the sidelines and be a spiritual orphan. It is important for every Christian to have someone whom they trust and have deep intimacy with to directly guide, mentor and even rebuke them. Now the concept of sonship is becoming clearer to me, the more that I want it for myself.

  96. The biblical concept of sonship is something I have never heard about. Of course I knew of the relationship between Paul and Timothy, but I always thought it was more of a mentor and mentee connection. Because I saw it this way, I always thought that what I needed was a mentor. Now I see that what I have been yearning for is actually a spiritual father, providing a central voice of spiritual authority, wisdom, and prayer. Coming from a traditional church, generational gaps existed that the young and old could not connect. No bonding was cultivated between leaders, old and young as well, so opening up to parents and even mature leaders and having them impart their wisdom and knowledge on you was something I or my youth did not see or do very much. The analogy of the need for natural fathers to the need for spiritual fathers illustrates the necessary fulfillment of this relationship so much that if it does not happen, it seems like the church will just become a place of service instead of a house invested in kingdom relationships.

  97. Jessica Kim says:

    Watching this video made me both a little sad but also excited. The whole idea of sonship is something that I have been longing for not only for myself but for the rest of the world. Every time I have heard of someone or something that has been done (ie going to jail, dropouts, bullies at school, etc.) I always thought the main reason for that is because of the fact that their father is absent from their life. I say that I was both a little sad and excited because there are still so many people out in the world without a father or even a father figure, but the fact that there are some of God’s sons taking that place of a father or spiritual father, gives me hope. One of the questions that came up in the video is, is there ever a time when the son will no longer need the father. Before they even answered the question, the first thought that came into my head was “no”, because a son will always need the father no matter what. It is something I have always longed for as well in a church especially and until I came to New Philly, I didnt really have too much faith that I will be able to find and see this true. If there is one thing that stays with me from this video, to me its the fact that sonship is as important as I have always believed.

    • Ahreum Kim says:

      Sonship! This makes my heart pounding! Before I came to New Philly, what I used to be told was that I need to serve more and more. I guess it was very fuction-oriented church but not relational one. Instead of being fully a son and daughter of God father, unlike my intention, I think I tried to verify my being through my action of serving. Now I want to enjoy being a pleased beautiful daugher of my God. I pray that God reveals littl small things in my heart and correct them. Like PC said during the first oritentation, I reflected myself and asked if there is someone in my life that loved enough to rebuke and challenge me when I am wrong. Of course, I have a lot of good people around me that pray for me and comfort me. But do I have a spiritual father that dicsiplines me and I also trust wholeheartedly and am wiiling to submit to? Oh… I can’t answer… this makes me sad. I have been maybe too arrogant. I am ready for this new level of sonsihp with God and new philly!

  98. Fatherless home, the statistics at the start of the video hits home straight away, we all know someone or could be that person who has in some way or form been one of those statistics, the numbers are heart wrenching and the fatherless are becoming more known to the world around us. The bond that I have with my father is one of struggle and sacrifice, for me it was knowing what my father went through to get the education he never had, to provide things his parents never could. That was the love i felt from him, I always felt like my father was making the effort and doing what he could to make sure we had the right upbringing, i was very fortunate to have this in my life, and develop the father son relationship.

    The spiritual father is a role in which I think is one of upmost importance, I have family members who have been adopted within the family (very common in pacific island culture) struggle with the challenges of life, because they no longer have that father figure, their family has split and are left alone, having one parent and not the other, in most cases fatherless. Without a positive figure, without the love of a father, no intimacy and no time well spent. That sense of safety is no longer there and it leads to the complications mentioned at the beginning of this video. God is installing the idea and challenging us to think about having a spiritual father, for some being a spiritual father, and for others understanding the concept of accepting the need of both. The development of intimacy between the spiritual father and son. Recapturing whats in the bible…’s where we need to get back to.

  99. I was first and foremost blessed by how biblically based the idea of spiritual fathers and sonship is. Although I understood Jesus’s sonship to our heavenly Father, I had never made the connection of Paul as a spiritual father. However, after hearing those passages explained in the context of sonship and fatherhood, it makes so much sense, and I feel very secure in the idea of sonship now.

    I definitely agree as an American coming from an individualistic culture that the concept of familial relationship is not as strong in the church. Everyone shows up for themselves without truly understanding that they are part of a family. Of course, we still call it the family of God, but our actions don’t display the intimacy of a family and we don’t see the need for a father. But if we truly understand the dynamics of family we begin to see the church in a whole new way and the necessity of a relationship with a spiritual father, someone with whom you have commitment.

    I think the point made about the difference between spiritual fathers and mentors is really important. Many mentors last for a season until you have learned what you need to learn. The commitment in a mentorship is not as strong, and therefore there is less stability. In contrast, we are always learning how to live from our spiritual fathers. Because the commitment is much deeper and more intimate, it truly allows us to operate and grow fully into our identity without fear that the relationship will end. I don’t think we ever grow out of craving that guidance and reassurance that a father provides. We need the intimacy of someone who can speak into our lives.

  100. I was very much blessed to be reminded that Church before all else is a family, where love and relationships precede all else including ministries. I believe the revival of notion that spiritual leaders are to be recognized and play the role of a father in the Church is a powerful restoration for the Church. As a spiritual father, love and relationships become the primary centerpiece, from which visions and ministries overflow very naturally.

    I definitely agree that all leaders including lead pastors need someone who simply love them and pour into their lives. I realize how important this is as someone who has spent some time in ministry.

    I have a question. For certain biblical figures such as Abaraham, Moses, Elijah, David, Daniel, and Paul, it seems like they did not have a spiritual father, or did they? How were they able to walk with God so intimately if they did not?

  101. I am always so thankful and awestruck by the beautiful concept of Sonship. Sonship is not only about being a son of God but also a son of the House, in terms of a local church. I remember when I first learned about spiritual fathers and mothers through Pastor Benjamin at the Ark, it was a foreign concept that I had never been exposed to before. It was difficult for me to grasp because I had never experienced it in the church. However, through relationship with my pastors, there was fresh revelations about the beauty of true Sonship. The act of submitting bud dear authority can stir up fear within some people due to past hurts or misconceptions; however, true submission and spiritual covering allows so much freedom and overflowing streams of wisdom and encouragement to come into your life.

  102. Paul Paik says:

    For me personally, I feel that the idea of fatherhood and the need to have father-son relationships has always been a present demand but was something that was never something touched on or emphasized like this. But hearing it like this now, I realize that this may be what I have been lacking in my life at church. For me, I have seen many pastors cycle out of my church so it has been very difficult to really form a lasting relationship that might resemble a father-son bond. As a result, I have developed the mindset the documentary mentions as the idea of simple mentor-ship that only lasts for a set amount of time. But watching this makes me realize that it is essential in churches to not just teach but to share true bonding and intimacy between leaders and members. To really raise strong and healthy disciples, leaders need to do more than simply instruct and encourage them, but need to invest their time, energy, and most of love to form a true bond of sonship and invite them into the family we know as the body of Christ.

  103. Joseph Lee says:

    I didn’t have a clear idea as to what the relationship between and father was. Growing up, my parents were busy working hard and my brothers were much older than I was too really stick around. Even at the first training, I really could give an answer to why we needed fathers other than the usual textbook answers. After watching this I have somewhat of an idea as to what fathering and being a son is really about. I was really lacking the intimacy in my relationships between my real father or anyone else in my life. I’m glad I’m at a church that sees the importance of fathering and sonship. I hope to grow and truly understand this concept. Do work!

  104. Eunbi Lee says:

    The whole documentary was so good and taught me so much but some specific parts really stuck out for me. When Pastor Christian said ‘valuing people relationally first’ is what’s important, I was so thankful to God for bringing me into a church that puts that first. When Pastor Erin said “Having a Father not above you and looking down at you but beneath you and lifting you up,” I was really struggling to put that into my life and applying it. Having a father figure in my life was not something that I always had and I thought I would never get again and a spiritual Father was something that I was just starting to learn about so I was confused about it still and questioning it. In the past, I would have left that curiosity alone but now I see myself asking questions, trying to learn more about it and really trying to apply it to my life.This documentary just clarified to me the importance of a spiritual father and son relationship and made me realize that it’s for me too.

    Also, after watching the documentary God really put me once again in a heart of thanksgiving. I was so thankful that at a time like this when so many churches are only focused on just the functional parts of the church and acts of services in the church; I was placed in a community where all of that is important AND the relationship of a spiritual father and son is practiced and is very important. It got me thinking and wanting a spiritual father that will be in my life to guide me, teach me, love me, sometimes rebuke me, and really show Gods love through his relationship with me.

  105. After watching this video, I realized that I need to start cultivating the relationship between a spiritual father and a son that I have missed in my past spiritual walk. I cannot imagine where I could be today if I had formed this type of relationship. Just like the view transition from functional to relational helped Pastor Christian to treat his congregation more as a family, I believe this view will also shape my perspective to value congregation as a family not random people group who happen to be at church.

    Two quotes I appreciated from this video are below:
    1. Essence of training: “Trading in development for training. We are training people for actions of ministry rather than producing fully matured sons and daughters.”
    2. Importance of relationship: “Valuing people relationally first and function later”

  106. Sharon Shin says:

    I have attended church practically all my life, but until I came to New Philly, I was never familiar with the idea of sonship outside of our sonship with God. In my previous churches, the idea of the church being a family was always impressed on, and while terms like “brother” and “sister” were used very loosely and almost like loose titles like “friend” or “dude”, there was never any sense of family ties aside from that in the church. I liked how this documentary talked about how this was related in the scripture, something that I had always known in the back of my mind but had never been really brought to my attention until now: that Paul valued that relationship with his “sons” and how that relationship in general was very important. I think what stuck out the most to me was that this sonship is about more than just teachings, but about love, and that it’s about “imparting of a way of life”. We know that God is a relational God, and hearing these words during this documentary affirmed that knowledge I had and made me wonder why more churches hadn’t instilled this model already. It makes so much sense and seems so necessary, especially in the church. If the presence of an earthy father can make that much difference in a son’s life, how much more so will a spiritual father in the lives of of those walking under the church?

  107. Gon Kim says:

    Prior to New Philly, the concept of sonship was foreign to me, outside of believers becoming God’s sons and receiving the love of God the Father in that way. All other believers were mostly referred to as brothers or sisters, pastors, leaders, or mentors. I think I’ve always wanted this kind of intimate relationship with a spiritual father figure; someone who’d cover me with prayer and wisdom, and someone whom I’d trust enough to let myself be vulnerable. Thankfully, I’ve been blessed with many mentor figures throughout various seasons, but I can’t say I’m a son to any of them. Honestly, I’m shocked at how long I’ve been going around fatherless and how sonship was never made readily available at the churches I’ve attended. I didn’t know what I’ve been wanting and missing out on was sonship until this insightful video.

  108. Susan Min says:

    I have always been thankful to God for blessing me with father figures throughout my Christian walk. I was raised by both my parents and my dad has always been there for me. They were also very supportive of me attending church and encouraged me to build relationships with my pastors and leaders. There has always been a mentor in my life through each stage of my walk, but the last few years after college have been tough. Transitioning into a bigger ministry at my home church, I never got a chance to develop a strong relationship with the head pastor. Partly because there were so many people, but mostly because I did not take the initiative. Moving to Korea last month, I had made a decision that I would get involved in a church. I jumped into leadership training and this was the first video that I watched as part of this process, which was perfect. This sonship concept is different from what I grew up learning, but I think that this is exactly what I need right now. I’m excited to learn about being a son and building a trusting and reliable relationship with my spiritual father.

  109. Keketso Makape says:

    In late 2012, I heard the word Sonship for the first time, and that happened to come from a member of the New Philly family. As the person spoke about how sonship really differed from anything he was used to, I listened to every word, honestly surprised that church could look like that. Since that day (although I was not in Korea), I continued to ask God to show me what it means to walk in sonship. From that day, the topic kept popping up in bits through sermons I’d listen to, or conversations I had, and I knew God was showing me something awesome. In all the places I’ve looked I haven’t seen sonship applied and lived out in a church the way it’s done here at New Philly. It’s such a blessing to hear the testimonies of people who lead in sonship and also walk as sons themselves. It’s so good to know that not having a good relationship with the earthly fathers God picks for us does not mean we can’t be put into the capable hands of other spiritual parents. Thank God for that second chance! I’m really excited to learn and to grow as a son of the house.

  110. What more can I say than to thank You Jesus for this great revelation of your heart towards your children. Watching this documentary has spoken to me more than words can say and am very grateful to God.
    When He said He was leaving but not leaving us as orphans, I believe providing us with both natural and spiritual fathers was part of His plans. His plans for us are not evil but to bring us to an expected end; to be co-heirs with Him as sons and inherit the inheritance as sons. There is safety, freedom and great love in being a son, especially in the kingdom of God and I pray for the grace to qualify as one, of this blessed family and authority that God Himself has established over me at this point in time. Everyone needs a father figure in life, to give guidance, love, protection and raise a child or son to maturity.
    Thank You God and thank you Fathers for this opportunity once again.

  111. Bethany Joy Tweeten says:

    “Jesus did all his ministry as a son.” We learn how to be a son from the life of Jesus, that power comes from submitting to the Father. We can also grow in our walk with God from submitting to spiritual fathers placed over us on earth. One speaker in the documentary talked about his journey and learning about “trusting that the leadership that God has established in my life, submitting to their authority, being a believer of ‘the sending.’” This stood out to me, what a blessing it is to have someone covering you, praying for you and seeking God’s will for you as well, especially concerning making decisions about whether to be sent out, or stay where you are being planted, rather than going off in our own directions without a spiritual father’s discernment.

    It’s interesting to learn about how the protestant church has moved away from this. Growing up Lutheran, sonship is not a concept I ever really heard about, especially in this way.

    Watching this documentary and learning more about sonship also helps me better understand the teachings of Paul regarding imitating him and his relationship with his spiritual son Timothy. Understanding sonship helps me “catch” the heart behind these verses and how it is essential still today.

    I also appreciated hearing Pastor Christian talk about how learning about the concept of sonship helped to emphasize the relational aspect of the church family, before the functional roles in the church. I can see how this created greater intimacy in the house as well. I’m feeling very blessed to be a part of this New Philly family!

  112. Even though I grew up in a Christian family, attended churches for more than 20years, I don’t think I had any pastors or church leaders who taught me about sonship or try to have such intimate relationship to oversee and guide my growth with God. I don’t blame them because I have been very shy and scared to approach them to have this relationship as well.
    However, in 2013, I started to attend a different church and from the very first week, the church leaders helped me be in a cell group where I met great loving, caring leaders who prayed for me, advised me, encouraged me, and even though at that time I didn’t know what sonship was, I beleive these leaders were living it out to help this generation breakout from the spirit of fatherlessness.
    I’m so thankful that I have these spiritual fathers and mothers who care about my walk with God even though I moved out from Shanghai, and I’m so thankful that God guided me to New Philly where I can grow closer to God and have spiritual parents who I can approach and physical meet:) It’s only been 2months in New Philly but I feel like I found a safe home and family and pastor who is not afraid to share the truth. Praise the Lord!

  113. Annie Weiss says:

    To be honest, coming into New Philly, I knew that I wanted to be a son and live as a son of this house. But I wasn’t really clear on what it meant or the biblical basis for it. Many people, even in this last week, ask me what is really going on with the concept of sonship and what it means to be a son of the house. They ask me if it would be better if we just see ourselves as sons of the universal church and love one another as brothers. Seeing New Philly, I saw something that was different and I knew that it had to do with this whole father and son dynamic. But I was concerned about where it came from. Watching this video put everything into perspective. There weren’t just people talking about their experience, but they opened the scriptures and revealed what God had been teaching since Abraham and revealing it to us. The most compelling evidence was that Paul called Timothy his son. We are called to be in covenant relationship with a house. I love being in this house and being a son of the house. We have an amazing inheritance.

  114. Jinny Kim says:

    The concept of Spiritual fatherhood and Sonship was a relatively new and it was also one of the concepts I struggled to get a full grasp of what it looked like. I’ve come from a church back ground where pastors seemed far too authoritative, busy and distant. I would have never imagined them to even know my name, let alone INVEST their time into me personally. So learning from the video that spiritual father goes beyond just teaching but goes as far as a real father and son relationship blew my mind away. It really shifted my perspective of a relationship I could have with my pastor. To realize as a part of new Philly church family I can have intimacy, endearment, provision of a father’s heart and a nursing care…it just filled my heart up with joy, thankfulness and a sense of security. I’m really excited for the blessing and accountability that I will be able to have with my spiritual father and mother and I feel like my identity as a Son is reshaping perspective of how I viewed myself even: from thinking I’m really not worthy to have the council of a pastor to realize that I am indeed a son and a part of a caring family.

  115. Hye Ryoung Rhee says:

    Since I tried NRTC last fall, this was my second time watching the video. While back then, the idea of fatherhood/ sonship struck me as really “new,”, this time I feel like I was able to get to a new level of understanding of this idea than I did before. As seen from my first comment from October 11, back then I had generally grasped the idea of sonship, but I feel like I missed a lot of the “values” of sonship that were explained in the documentary. A part that especially stood out to me this time was on how Paul trusted his son Timothy to go out and do his ministry. He was fully confident that Timothy would imitate his way of life. Watching this message after I heard PC’s message on creating a culture of honor, I felt like this was another example of empowerment that comes through honor: in a sense, Paul, as Timothy’s father, had honored his son and empowered him. While I had previously just thought of sonship as having spiritual leaders who could provide me with covering, I realized that it also means having spiritual leaders who could empower me to go out boldly. The second time watching this, I was also able to get a better grasp of the difference between mere “discipleship” and “sonship.” While discipleship often times is just the act of training people for performance, sonship is about intimacy, about creating a bond between spiritual fathers and sons. Having watched this video again, I feel much more comfortable with the idea of fatherhood/ sonship and feel really blessed to have this opportunity to become a son at New Philly.

  116. Teng Jo Ee says:

    The fact that fathers are important to a family is undeniable. I am thankful that my biological father has always been doing a great job in raising up my sisters and I as well as providing financial and emotional stability to my family. However, as I grow up and ever since I came to Korea, I realized that the emptiness in me is because I have always been wandering around with an orphan spirit and I lack of spiritual fathers in my life. Although I believe in God all these while, I have never submit to any local church. I longed for the intimacy and acceptance from a church family yet I felt so lost. Through this video, I have learnt the importance of spiritual fathers in our lives. I am truly blessed by the messages of this video and I am excited for this new experience of walking in sonship with NP!

  117. Matt Ma says:

    Is this “sonship” actually being implemented in the NP congregation? Do I not see it because I have not submitted to a “father?” Or have “fathers” not invested in me? I know that at this point in my life, it might be a little bit of both. I’m still not quite sure what this looks like.

    I have understood the importance of sonship from a very young age and I know that it essential to have a spiritual “father.” I love how Pastor Benjamin Robinson said that it’s not about teaching some spiritual concept, but it’s about impartation. The sharing of hearts.

    It’s not about blind obedience. It’s about honesty. It’s about being vulnerable. About being about open to teaching and discipline.

    The example of Timothy and Paul is amazing. How Paul completely trusted Timothy and could send him out with the confidence that thing were going to be handled well. That level of trust is powerful and even outside of the Christian context is seen at high levels of success.

  118. Emily Tregelles says:

    I remember watching this when it was first uploaded to New Philly and being struck by all the rich revelation there is in the Bible about sonship and ministry leaders having roles as fathers. At the time, I was still doubting if sonship was really biblical, and this video totally confirmed in me that it was! It’s presentation is so comprehensive and solid; its truths helped shift me into sonship at the time. Watching it again for NRTC, the truths ring so clear in my spirit, and the revelations go that much deeper!

    As I listen and process, the new thing that stands out to me is how tangible sonship in the house of God can be. God designed us for relationship, but for so many of us, the lack of a physical presence of a father has left a void that leads to sin, striving, and anguish. If we grow up in the church, we’re told of how much God the Father loves us, yet it rarely leads to a real connection with God or transformation in our identity and the way we live. Though many of us have faith to believe that the Father loves us, we have lacked the tangible example that impacts our hearts and engages our identity through relationship.

    Everything that God does in our lives, he works through relationship. Every lesson and identity can be learned from community. It’s why God puts the lost, the lonely, and the orphan in families. So when there is no tangible example or expression of the father’s love in our lives, there’s a huge block to us receiving and living out our primary identity as sons. Sonship is a foundational truth that reveals our Father and his kingdom in heaven. Without sonship, we’re often stunted in receiving and walking out healing and walking in the many identities God declares over us.

    When a community understands sonship, covenant, and submission, the trust and intimacy that is established provides a powerful environment that births breakthrough and revelation! When a spiritual father is walking out a lifestyle that looks like Christ, lovingly teaching, encouraging, and correcting his sons, they can be empowered to walk out the same lifestyle and then discipleship grows! There are so many benefits to sonship! Praise God that this revelation is being established in so many churches.

  119. Jeremiah Silvey says:

    I am new to the concept of “Son-ship” in church leadership. Since the concept is new to me, I have been curious to ask why the leadership in the church has decided to take a “son-ship” approach. The documentary answered all of my questions and gave me a clear model and definition of why son-ship has been applied. It was great to see how the concept of son-ship has really impacted the relationship aspect of leadership in the church. I believe now that the family dynamic in a church can become a lot stronger when son-ship is applied. The testimonies throughout the video really gave me a practical standpoint to see that son-ship really does help relationships became healthy to a whole new level. I am excited to learn and apply the concept of son-ship now! Great documentary!

  120. Taylor Herman says:

    This is such an amazing and eye-opening documentary. For the longest time I too, even as a spiritual baby, was fatherless. Yes I went to church every Sunday and went to small group and all that, but I never had someone that really invested in me, and I thought that was how it was; I had never heard of the concept of spiritual fatherhood or sonship until I came to New Philadelphia Church. So looking back now, I realize just how important of a concept this is, amd I hope it really starts to catch on, especially in Protestant churches. It’s so important to have someone investing in you, being there to help you up, answer your questions, and keep you accountable. Just imagine what would happen if no one was fatherless~

  121. Felix Baumer says:

    The whole documentary is a blessing not only because it is beautifully made but also because of its powerful message and biblical evidences! The two things I learned the most of are: first, how throughout the bible as well as in our own life God appoints a father to his son and creates this incredible dynamic, and second that being under the covenant of a spiritual father impacts the relationship and trust others open towards you. Being aware of some father-son relationships in the bible, the documentary not only mentions them, it relates them to people and to a practical basis. Seeing all these statistics in the beginning about the impact of broken families on their children reminded me of a class I had last semester on population economics. We discussed research about differences in later in life outcomes of children of families where the father spends significantly more time with his son vs. families where the father spends less time with his son. The impacts on the life of the sons when fathers spend significantly more time with their sons were amazing and frightening at the same time. If this is true, than what are the impacts of later in life outcomes of sons in a church family and wouldn’t it be so powerful to do a research and provide evidence about the positive impact of sonship in churches? The spiritual father is the one who teaches the word of God and provides a way of life for his sons. Being under the covenant of a spiritual father creates security and trust not only for the son, but also to people in relationship to the son. People may feel more secure when the son has someone to speak life and truth into her/him and so may open up and start to connect deeper since there can be a greater trust in one another.

  122. Halima Dodo says:

    This documentary was a powerful demonstration of sonship and it’s significance in the bible and the church. I was blessed as Joseph shared the moments with his father that shaped his future character in Christ. His father always made sure to spend time with him, love him, and share wisdom with him as well. Even more importantly Joseph had a father that prayed with him and for him. Likewise the relationship between a spiritual father and son imparts a way of life through teaching and love. We are in need of Fathers not only in the family but also in the church because they are the ones who will lift you up. As some of the ministers shared in the documentary, it was difficult for them to do God’s work or mature in their faith without a mentor to keep them accountable or a Father that in steadfast preparation makes them ready to be sent out (with continuous prayer covering). Inidividualistic Christianity makes it difficult for the children of God to form a connection with the body of Christ. It is also very easy to lose track of God’s heart and kingdom without a physical, relational manifestation of His guidance through a spiritual shepherd.

  123. Soojin Sou says:

    After watching this video, I realized that this is what I’ve been desperately longing for! And it’s so rare to see in the church today. But I’m so glad this video was made to address the fatherlessness in churches today. I really believe when churches start embracing this sonship concept instead of a working and doing concept, there will be a greater level of… God. I mean, I just feel like this is what He’s all about… relationships!

  124. Kirby Beneventi says:

    I like how New Philly stresses over and over again the importance of sonship. Although certain values embedded have been familiar to me such as accountability/discipleship, however the concept of sonship in relation to a father figure is still something I am coming into. It’s only been within the past few years that the Lord established the core of my identity as His daughter. I can’t express to you the value of this revelation. It has provided me with a confidence, knowing that I am rooted in Him.
    I completely agree with Paul’s statement to the church in Corinth that “although you have many teachers you lack fathers”. I think it’s easy to see the great need of father figures and how the lack thereof seeps into our society and homes. Although I have had mentors in the past I crave for an older, godly woman to offer spiritual guidance as well. Anointing flows from the top down right?! I have a deep hope that as I am being matured in Christ I will also one day be established a someone else’s spiritual mother. But that cannot happen without understanding the importance of sonship!
    Last point. I liked how Pastor Erin mentioned gender. How we are still heirs even though scripture primarily references sons. It also makes sense how a wife would feel safe to follow and trust her husband if he was underneath a covering sonship covenant. I want that for myself as well.

  125. One thing I have grasped so firmly in this documentary is me being a son though I”m a daughter as PE put it. I am a son because I have an inheritance. I am a son of God and I’m excited about submitting to a spiritual father.

  126. Oscar Sun says:

    Growing up I never really knew my real father. My parents were divorced, so I primarily grew up with my Mother. She was able to make up for my father for the most part, but once she married, I really started to know what it meant to have a father. For me, my step father taught me about responsibility and how to be a man. He taught me a lot of good values which helped me grow up to the person I am today. Although, I only had him for a short amount of time, I consider him to be more like my father than my real father. However, after hearing this video, it really hit me that I need to reconnect with my real father. Not just for myself, but so I may also help him reconnect with my brothers and sisters. But what I don’t know is how I am to submit to real father now, when he has never been in my life. God guide me.

  127. Eddie Mun says:

    I still feel a little estranged to the concept of sonship, but I’ve had a taste of being in this covenant community for over 7 months, I can’t imagine getting ministered to any other way. There’s such an intimate connection between spiritual relationships. I realized that I was a spiritual orphan back in my home communit. While There was some sort of mentor-tutee relationship between my leaders and me, I felt like they didn’t have the heart to sow into my life. I love the relational aspect of the spiritual family that is emphasized here at New Philly.

  128. Hyeji Lee says:

    When it comes to fathers, I naturally think of my father, who was very loving and awsome but passed away when I was 13. Since then, my mom has raised me with a great care. Nevertheless, I have to admit that I lack knowledge(or experience) of what father figure is like or what it is like to be a son of father.

    For that reason, it is exhilarating for me that I can have a spiritual father for myself. To be honest, until I came out to New Philly, I’d never heard of spiritual father or sonship before. Those concepts were very new to me because I’ve never had spiritual father in the church I used to go to. My church was quite big so pastors were ones who I had never had access to, but who I admired in a distance. However, through watching this video, I became to know that I need a spiritual father. Like Pastor Benjamin said in the video, we should be experiencing our sonship to God through becoming a son of a house. That is why “I don’t need a spiritual father” is pretty arrogant to say it because that means you don’t want to experiencing God as a father.

    Also, as Pastor Benjamin said, sonship is about not only teaching but also connection. Through connection that you have as a spiritual son and spiritual father, you can download all the good things that the spiritual father wants to deliver including teaching. What spiritual father is a bout is impartation of way of life not simply of basis spiritual information.

    I learned so much about sonship through just watching this video. This message just changed my perspective over church, pastor, and myself. God is a good father!

  129. Lisa Young says:

    At the very beginning when someone said that a lot of Christians are saying, “I want someone to hold me in their bosom; I just need to know that somebody loves me,” that matched my own feelings so well. It put them into words. That along with the young pastor who shared that he wanted to be sent out by his spiritual father in any work he undertook. For years I went through this miserable struggle of striving and striving to know what God was saying and never being able to figure it out. The idea of actually having a spiritual father in my life, someone who wants an intimate relationship and can clearly confirm direction, clearly say yes or no, is the most comforting thing I could ask for. It doesn’t even matter if I like what they say; just knowing what it is that’s being said in the first place is more than I hoped for.

    I hope more and more pastors can find these relationships in their lives too! A lot of wonderful servants of God are pouring out into other people’s lives and thinking that they’re not spiritual enough when their quiet times with God don’t seem to fully restore what they’ve been giving. I want them to get all the benefits of being part of a family that God wants to give them!

    I’m also curious about how ministry is going to change over time as more Christians start growing up with the correct spiritual relationships being established early in life. Right now a lot of powerful ministries are focused on restoring the broken mindsets God’s people have grown up with. How will the focus change when the norm becomes for God’s people to grow up with the correct mindsets in the first place? A lot of stuff’s gonna get accomplished fast when people don’t have to spend so much time undoing a bad foundation before they can build the right one.

  130. I’ve always considered the church like somewhat of a family, but this documentary made me see it on a whole new level. I was really blessed with a better understanding of the power and necessity of spiritual fatherhood within the household of God, the church. I was touched by what Pastor Benjamin said about spiritual fatherhood being about the impartation of a way of life, not just basic spiritual information or bible verses. He said that a father shares not just teachings, but his heart; a spiritual father and his son share the same heart and how they love others and react to their problems. The bond between a spiritual father and his son is powerful and intimate, and I really think these relationships are necessary to nurture sons and guide them to their calling.

  131. Seoyoung Yoon says:

    It is important to be a Son in our Father’s house. Without covering, we are lost sheep. We all need spiritual fathers (mentors) in our life to guide our way. When I look at the spiritual concept of being a Son, it is easier for me to submit to my Father and leaders over me. The wisdom and encouragement. I receive from my spiritual father is spiritually valuable. It helps keep me following the Lord’s path for my life.

  132. Helen Kim says:

    I know of so many families with fathers who were absent; whether it be because they were too busy, too selfish or too irresponsible. Growing up in a fatherless generation and seeing the negative fruits of it is really heartbreaking. But this documentary really gave me hope. This documentary also answered many questions I had previously about covering and submission and gave great insight into what sonship and fatherhood looks like.

    Previously in my Christian walk, I had pastors, leaders and other great men and women of God who encouraged and inspired me but I didn’t have a personal or intentional relationship with them like this documentary represents. They were seen as a spiritual leader and a mentor figure who I gave authority to speak into my life and I submitted under but… I realised that throughout my Christian walk, as my pastors constantly changed every couple of years, I was carrying with me an orphan spirit, without me even knowing.

    I am so thankful for Pastor Benjamin and Pastor Christian who are restoring what was lost and setting an example for the future generation to follow.

  133. Yery Reyna Yoon says:

    I loved how it was mentioned in the video that you never grow out of a need for a spiritual father. That even as a mature man, people still desire to be nurtured. I felt relieved because one of my greatest desires in my 20s was to have a tangible father in my life.

    I also loved how it was mentioned in the video that father/son relationship takes time. Paul and Timothy’s bond took time. The reason why this mattered to me is because I have had mentors before who would sow in for a few months or so but tap out once they got busy. Like before I barely got to build a relationship with them. But fatherhood carries responsibilty, sacrifice and love that is dedicated to see your son grow in your ways and that takes time. Even if I don’t feel my pastors are my spiritual fathers now, it’s because we need time and I am open to see our bonds deepen the way a father and son’s relationship flourishes.

    At the end of the day we are called to love our brothers deeply ( 1 peter 1: 22) and as much as we like to be creative or original, there needs to be some form of example in our lives for us to imitate or be inspired by. Sonship ultimately calls us to be deeper lovers because we have seen and we have received a powerful love by accountable people: our spiritual fathers

  134. Alex Quach says:

    Like many i also come from a fatherless home , with my biological father passing away at a young age i feel like I’ve never had a role model to look up to I’ve always longed for an intimate relationship with a father figure and experiencing true sonship.
    The documentary talked about several negative consequences of fatherlessness homes, one of the biggest ones i had to over come was never receiving affirmation from father figure

    The video really highlighted to me the importance of fatherhood and sonship in the church, with spiritual sonship it allows you to really identify your self and no longer feel like a spiritual orphan,through sonship with the church you’ll not old be able experience intimacy with god but also as a community/family. Without spiritual sonship within the church it would start too feel like an organisation or a business arrangement

    The issue of fatherless is one that exists both inside and outside the church. By the grace of God I have found a spiritual family within New Philly and as i get to know god and get be closer with him I’m slowly filling the void of being fatherless

  135. Katt Gao says:

    I remember watching this documentary when it first came and the themes of sonship and spiritual family (fatherhood) really resonated with me because I saw the need both inside and outside the four walls of the church.

    2 years on, this film not only still makes sense but I have experienced sonship more-so through New Philly and my leaders. Joseph talks about how “P. Benjamin Robinson was like a spiritual father to me, even before I realised what a spiritual father was” and that is the feeling that I had with P. Christian. The abstract concept of Sonship has and is becoming more of a reality for me personally as these Godly men seek to express the Father’s heart.

    I love how the beginning of the film tells the story of a healthy father-son relationship and the positive impact that had on Joseph throughout his life. The idea of a father in the Pauline Apistles is someone who, “started the work and then he stays there and works with them..”. This paints a beautiful picture of the constant presence and guidance of a spiritual father. It is not just about learning the bible and doctrine, but a way of life.

    What this film captures and communicates is the need, the fruit and the heart behind spiritual sonship. I have gained so much insight on this topic and I hope to see more of the wider body of Christ catch onto it!

  136. Jaehyoun Simon Cha says:

    This documentary is a true blessing for me as it reminded me that God has already granted me with a spiritual father(mother). She has nurtured me and guided me in times of struggle,confusion and rebellion with immeasurable amounts of patience and sacrifice.

    As a biological father would, she is not afraid to shoot blunt confrontations when my walk with God is not healthy and give seemingly far-fetched blessings at times of great struggle that other people (incl.myself) would first scoff at but witness how they come true when faith is held steadfast under her guidance.

    There were times when her guidance felt a tad invasive but the countless occasions when she prioritised my faith and spiritual well being before other important matters in her own life was a bang on confirmation that this relationship was in God. Being a selfish person myself, I could not fathom any other reason why someone else would pour so much into another’s life if God was not supporting it.

    This video consolidated and verified that the covering I have with my spiritual mother has been a “journey of a son” and clarified the concept even further. Now I am 8,000 km away from my spiritual mother and the distance makes it difficult to deeply share my spiritual walk with her. However, God has gracefully led me to New Philadelphia Church Sydney and I am so glad to have found a church where leaders do not shy away from Holy Spirit inspired confrontations under sonship. A good spiritual guidance in Sydney is something that my spiritual mother has been praying for a long time for me, and I am thrilled to report back that I have finally found one.

  137. This documentary opened my eyes to the critical importance of a spiritual fatherhood in the church. Growing up at the youth group in church, I never really had a solid spiritual father or mother to guide me in my walk. I didn’t really realize how important that was until I came to New Philly, where the importance of sonship is stressed so greatly. I think the need for spiritual fathers and mothers in our lives is great. But this concept is especially crucial for the upcoming generation, where more and more people carry hurts from broken families.

    It’s amazing because when I came to Sydney to study abroad, one of my prayer requests was to find a spiritual older sister or mentor to guide me in my faith. I would never have expected that around the time I arrived was when New Philly Sydney was beginning to form, and here I would find such an amazing church filled with godly leaders to humble me, teach me, and grow me. It’s such a blessing to see how important the spiritual father-son relationship is to this church, and I hope to continue to walk in the spirit of sonship throughout my own faith. (:

  138. Kevin Choi says:

    To be a part of this revival of spiritual fatherhood and sonship excites my heart. There have been many spiritual mentors and leaders that have guided my walk with The Lord who have loved me and prayed for me, but never have I committed myself to a church this way. Under submission of a spiritual father.

    By undertaking this leadership training, I hope to get closer to this community under the covering over other leaders and Pastor Paul. I am blessed to have such loving and committed men and women of God in my life. I hope to be a blessing to others too. For Him and His kingdom.

  139. Emilie Boivin says:

    I was really blessed by this documentary. It deepened my understanding of the crucial importance of fathers, not only in society but in the Church. Spiritual fathers produce fully matured Christians who have been imparted with their wisdom and ways of life. The spirit of sonship allows for a greater level of intimacy, unity and connection in the body of Christ, more than mentoring relationship could allow. First, there’s a greater level of commitment to the individual where the spiritual father see to pour the Father’s heart into his spiritual son. Because of this, the son receive full inheritance and can himself be sent out to reproduce what he has received in others.

    Second, being seen as a son, being loved, cherished as a son, makes it easier for me to me to be discipled. Because I am affirmed as son of the house, not just just a person in the crowd, I can freely connect with others, knowing with the outmost assurance that I belong, embracing my spiritual father’ vision and carrying out the vision with an eternal perpective.
    Personally, because the level of commitment is so evidently enforced, the level of accountability so I can’t help but feeling safe and overall loved.

  140. Rabbis-in-training called their rabbi “father” and learned not just his words but his way of life. When Jesus called his disciples to follow him, they understood his words to be that they would become his spiritual sons in the same way. Paul, a Jew trained the same way under Gamaliel, adopted this practice with Timothy and Titus. And Jesus himself said that he was a son and that he could only do what he saw the father doing. All this is clearly seen in Scripture. But somewhere along the way, we “sola scriptura” Protestants did away with what the founders of Protestantism must have seen as a tradition kept by the Catholics and Orthodox churches rather than something in the Bible. We have seen a lot of Spiritual orphanism because of that shift. I’m glad that Christians around the world are starting to rediscover what the Bible says about sonship.

  141. Since I’m also going through community connection right now, this just adds to the sermons I’ve been listening to about sonship and its scriptural roots. So good! There’s a lot of security to know that Paul paved the way for us to use this kind of vocabulary and have these relationships in our lives.
    The pattern of sonship stood out to me in this documentary. A son is born, raised, grows to maturity, and then is sent. A father doesn’t just send anybody, he sends his son, and he won’t send a son who isn’t ready. A son has to submit to that wisdom and authority and trust his father.
    I especially resonated with PE’s affirmation that even as daughters, we can be sons because we receive the inheritance. We are indeed co-heirs with Christ!

  142. Sooky Park says:

    As I watched this movie my heart cried out for the pastors who have had no fathers. It is so sad to see a fatherless generation try to go out and be the generation Christ meant us to be. As we learned in our first session, Spirit of Sonship, Jesus was first called the Son of God at his Baptism and He called us co-heirs with Him. Paul was Timothy’s spiritual father and Paul called the Church a Household. we need spiritual fathers and I am thankful for the few that have influenced me in my life. God bless them and help me to be both a Son and a Father (in the future) to the household of Christ.

  143. Ann Lee says:

    Spirtual fatherhood is about spiritual impartation. It is true that spiritual fatherhood in the church should reflect a real fatherly relationship, where pastors-leaders could open up to a personal level and develop intimacy. I feel that especially in America, since it is rooted in a deeply individualistic/independent culture, it may be uncomfortable for the individual to develop family relationships with church members. I wasn’t raised a Christian and New Philly is basically the 2nd Christian church I have attended, so I didn’t have a say to how it is compared to other churchs and what makes it unique. However, I know by heart that it is a church that I can trust, and I can trust all the leaders and their discipleship. I personally have grown so much in New Philly and I hope this way of discipleship/spirtual fatherhood becomes a norm to all churchs.

  144. Michelle Euperio says:

    This beautiful and encouraging documentary reminded me that God is more concerned with my development as a son rather than just training me up for ministry. I have loved learning about sonship through the sermons with New Member connection and through NRTC. Watching this video gave me an even greater desire to be and serve as a son of this house. I have never heard of spiritual fatherhood the way that the leaders of this house speak of it and the more I learn about it, the more I realize how important and how much it is needed in my life. A part of the video that really challenged me was when the pastor was talking about being released and blessed to go, but not being sent. I can see in my life places where mentors have blessed and released me but because of my pride and selfishness, I robbed myself of so much blessing. I also really enjoyed Pastor Erin’s testimony of “being a daughter, but a Son in the spirit. The Son gets the inheritance.” Soo good.

  145. Michelle Kwak says:

    I love the references to Paul’s life, because they give a solid example of sonship beyond Jesus as son of God and us as sons of God. Perhaps without Paul’s example, people would argue that we are all fathered by God. While this is true, there is a clear model and mandate for church households to have actual spiritual fathers in place. This is true discipleship! I think it is very true that discipleship is so often focused on training servants rather than developing sons and daughters. This documentary goes hand in hand with Pastor Benjamin’s sermon on Identity & the Church; it shows the need for father-son relationship to prime every other aspect of ministry and involvement in the Kingdom. I love that the emphasis is on mimicking a way of life, not a set of teachings or actions. Without capturing the heart of both Father God and a spiritual father, it might be possible to obey words and imitate actions, but it’s definitely impossible to imitate a complete way of life. I appreciated the picture of a father that doesn’t just look down upon you but is beneath you, bolstering you and prepared to catch you if you fall. It reminded me that true fathers do really make their ceiling your floor (even Jesus said we would do greater things!). This means that the impartation of a father to a son is not partial but full and not stagnant but growing and multiplying as it is shared!

  146. Suzy Shin says:

    Watching this video makes me realize how independent I am and how much I want to be independent. God keeps reminding me I can’t walk in faith alone and christianity is not about walking alone. I have never really heard about sonship before I came to NPC. I hear discipleship a lot and even took discipleship training but I don’t look at the relationship as sonship. I think it had a lot to do with me wanting to be independent when they were trying to have a deeper relationship. I now have a better view on sonship and the church. I do need a father and his teaching. Before I was intimidated by sonship types of relationship but now i realize it is a blessing from God.

  147. Kymberly Riggins says:

    I was very moved with the relationship with the host, Joseph, and his natural father. I was impressed that his Dad made every effort to be close to his son and in involved in his life. Just as important as it is for a son to have a father in his lie, it is equally important for the father to be active and involved in their child’s life. Just like Paul stayed in Corinth for longer than he initially planned or wanted just so he could be close to and pour into the lives of his children, the church at Corinth, a spiritual father should do likewise. The documentary brings up the point that every father should also be actively fathered.They even reference the fact that Jesus in his role of father to the disciples still behaved as a son even to the very end.

    I wonder though, is it every son’s eventual path to be sent out by the father to handle the father’s business?

  148. I’ve always had a lot of of doubt about fatherhood and sonship until I came to NPI. I attended a church back home where many had “multiple” spiritual fathers at the same time. It was difficult for me to address this leader as “pop” or “dad” at that time, but have always hoped that one day I would actually have a “sonship” relationship with him. This documentary gave me so much clarity in the true meaning of a God centered fatherhood/sonship. I believe experiencing and understanding our Father’s heart for us is the first step. I also believe knowing our identity as a son/daughter in Him is the key point in our daily walk as a Christian.

  149. Pricilla Jin Chung says:

    This documentary is very new for me, I’ve always believed the importance of spiritual leaders and teachers however never really thought of having a spiritual father. So when people spoke about spiritual mother/father I was quite doubtful that there might not be one for me. This topic seems very important and something that I am excited to learn more about. This video was like a teaser and knowing that I am in a church where they feel so strongly about this topic is so encouraging. Looking at how God is really moving and building people up through a father figure is really amazing to see and really shows the father’s love. Can’t wait to go more deeper into this!

  150. We certainly have an epidemic of Fatherlessness in our culture. The sonship model is a level of discipleship commitment desperately needed in the church today.
    Personally, I see sonship as the result of a high degree of commitment and relationship between a new believer and a mature believer, which produces fruit in the kingdom.

    Some follow up questions:
    1. When Paul talks about sonship how do we know if he is using it as a descriptive term for his spiritual relationships or, instead, giving it as a model/mandate for all churches to follow? Perhaps its both? Are there other scriptures where Paul mandates sonship as a model for all churches to follow?
    2. In Ephesians 4:11 Jesus gave the church apostles, prophets, evangelists, shepherdsc and teachers. If some are apostles, prophets, evangelists, sheperds, etc. does Paul’s status as apostle, uniquely qualify him to be a father? In contrasts are other giftings less qualified?
    3. Who was Paul’s father in the faith?
    4. At the end of Jesus’ earthly ministry why does he refer to his disciples as friends?
    5. In the reformation, what reasons did Luther and the reformers have for casting aside the Father-Son model?
    6. How can Protestant Christianity learn from the way Catholicism has maintained the Father-Son model?

    Amen. We need church leaders who impart their spiritual DNA to this depth and degree. Looking forward to learning more.

  151. Mariyah Gonzales says:

    Sonship is powerful and realizing our full identity as the son of God will create absolute havoc in the enemy’s plans. When we begin to war for both our natural and spiritual families, fresh and living water will pierce its way out of our hearts. We will be bold and complete from our cores. We will realize the swords and shields in our hands, the readiness of our feet, and the power in our cries. This is our fight, to restore unity in the family!

    This project spoke volumes, but one of the most powerful parts for me was when PC spoke about our own church and how pre-sonship discussion, NP operated largely by functionality. He mentioned initially placing value on performance, on what we can do. I’ve operated my entire life placing ridiculous weight and measure on what other people thought of me, my ability, and my effort. Not even with people who love me, or want to build me up into fullness and maturity but with everyone that had an opinion. It brought me nothing but crippling anxiety. But in sonship, in intimate covering, “criticism” becomes direction, “control” becomes discipline. The Father’s Heart makes all of the difference in our self-image and identity. There’s a special role for spiritual fathers and mothers in our maturity.

    The mention of lineage is especially beautiful, being a father means being a son. That’s freedom right there!

  152. Albert Lee says:

    This documentary took away many of my negative presumptions on the term ‘spiritual father’, and gave me clarity in what it actually means. I believe that as this structure is well settled in the church God will bring restoration in the homes as well.

  153. This is really powerful! I understand that we as christians all need a spiritual father to set boundaries in our lives. Boundaries to bring safety. Satan loves to isolate us, and to try and convince us that we can do life on our own. When we have a spiritual father, the relationship brings safety and covering. It is always safer to have someone else that will also look out for our own safety. Thanx for sharing!

  154. Jorie Bonham says:

    That was really powerful. I think the part that stuck out to me most was the part that said “The church is not lacking teachers, seminars, or buildings. The church is lacking fathers.” This is something that is so key to spiritual growth and yet it is not being implemented in churches. One thing that turned me away from church for awhile was that it felt a lot like a business. There was no real connection with the pastor and people just came and went home. It seemed like a completely individual journey with no covering or guidance by the pastors. I have been longing for a sonship type of relationship with my pastors and church leaders. This video really made me excited to continue on the journey of spiritual sonship at New Philly.

  155. Wow!! The term “sonship” is something completely foreign to me. Yet as I watched this documentary, it somehow made me realise it’s something I’ve been yearning for. Growing up. I never had a great relationship with my dad- he would often come across as very strict and stern. Not someone I could be relational with. I look forward to discovering what it really means to be a “son”. What struck me also was that every person needs a father- no matter what authority you may have. I need to know more!! :)) Thank you for this video. It’s been very eye opening :))

  156. My heart goes out for this generation that lacks a father that reflects God’s image. God intended fathers to protect, provide, and to help identify the talents in their children. Sadly, not a lot of fathers fit the description. To make it worse, some fathers abuse their children. There is hope though, for those who come from broken homes. Spiritual sonship from a church can fill that void. Although the attention to sonship is pretty new, I am blessed that God is raising up spiritual fathers all around the world. I love how one of the speakers said, “There are a lot of teachers but not a lot of fathers”. I hope I do not end up just a teacher but grow to have father’s heart. I would love to build deeper connection with those who lack father figure. And I recognize that It starts with sonship with the leaders and pastors of NP.

  157. This really stirred my heart all throughout. As I was watching, I couldn’t help but feel the deep, compassionate and agape love-filled heart of our Father. It is so evident that God wants to bring back the intimate fatherhood and sonship relationship back into the church to restore and to empower so many of the sons that have been abandoned and overlooked. I fully agree to the statement of us living in a time where there so many qualified Bible teachers and leaders but not enough spiritual fathers to nurture and invest into the sons of the house. Growing up, I tended to relate God as the Father who cares about how much I’ve done for Him rather who I am to Him as I felt at times my earthly father was more focused on work than on relationship. The concept of just “being” with God rather than “doing” work for Him was so foreign and is still something I have to work through daily. But I am greatly assured and all the more encouraged to see that spiritual fatherhood is more than just an impartation of teaching, as mentioned by P.Benjamin; it is an impartation of a way of life that can be applied to every spectrum of life. As the relationship continues to develop between the spiritual father and son, confidence and intimacy will naturally be birthed and deepened on greater levels. As spiritual fathers start to value people more relationally, I believe more and more members of the church will capture the spirit of sonship and receive the full inheritance that they have been given as sons. I can personally attest to this statement as I’ve been able to capture the heart of the Father through P.Christian as he intentionally reached out to me with such gentleness and joy. I am so excited to see that God is reviving this concept of sonship to the modern-day churches and can’t wait to walk in it fully as I become a member and leader of this family!

  158. Andrew Cho says:

    To see this view of how important a father is in our lives has just been another eye-opening message that I got from my time here in new Philly. Before coming to new Philly, I did not really view “spiritual” as another state of us like I would mental and physical nor did i see the Holy Spirit as a person. I’m slowly seeing more and more how important our spiritual state is and the different parts of my spiritual life that desperately needs God that I never noticed.

    Definitely being new in the faith and being raised by a father who doesn’t believe, I believe that a spiritual father can be very much what a person needs to help him/her in their daily walks of life. its just too easy for the sons to fall under other influences that are not rooted in Christ and too see that there is such a practical way in us knowing whether we are called by God to live out our callings is certainly another of the journey with God that I am very much looking forward to!

  159. Ra Hyun Ha says:

    ‘Father the Fatherless’
    this powerful phrase reminds me of God’s love
    I used to have some ideal Image about father in my life, but in reality there is gap between the love my father give me and the love I hope for him
    when I came the church first, I felt the heart I can’t explain and I’ve never experienced
    the heart let me know He know, forgive, embrace everything about me
    that was the father’s love I comes through life.
    so, now I don’t need to struggle to receive the ideal love from others
    and I can love and accept my parents just as who they are
    Because God give me His perfect love to me
    and from this point my relationship with my parents began to be recovered more and more

    ‘A Family in Christ’
    “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
    (Galatians 3:28 (NIV))”
    this is one of my favorite Verse. This idea of family in Christ is different from world. Usually the family in the world is limited by law, but In christ the idea of family is expended.
    and in this church, the Biblical teaching and true reveal in the relationship between family members.
    As PB said Sonship concept is different from most discipleship focusing on producing better performer. As a multicultural house, we have different background, race, age, culture each other. We have little in common, but the one fact “We are one family in Christ and a spiritual father.” make this family connect strongly and deeply beyond every condition.

    ‘Sonship- the identity grows strong in this Family’
    In my last CG meeting, I learned about our role and identity as son of God
    “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God. (Matthew 5:9)”
    In other words, this means ‘children of God are the peacemakers’.
    This let me realize the identity is not only spiritual idea, but actual strength.
    We can pour out peace from us by prayer and act, in our place, our home and office.
    I’m learning and receiving knowledge,wisdom and love in this house,
    The family not just let me know the way to go, but walk together with me and guide me holding my hand in my daily life.
    My journey of son just started and I’m excited to grow deeper in sonship of this house.

  160. Deok H. Kim says:

    This video made me realize so many things about what churches are lacking now a days. But most importantly, some of the things I have been lacking in my life as a Christian.
    I was born into a Christian family and been going to church since I was in my mothers womb and through my years of attending a very traditional Korean church, my Christian life seemed very monotone. It almost felt like I was a factory worker doing the same job every day. It seemed like I was living within a cycle and things never changed, and this went for many years. Now I realized, a lot of this was due to different factors but one of the most important ones was that I didn’t have a spiritual father speaking into my life especially when I needed council or guidance.

    My earthly father was a good Christian himself, and sometimes will talk into me about spiritual things but he was so involved and busy with his work most of the time that it would be a rare occurrence. The other person I thought about turning for spiritual advice was the pastor at my church but he was more like a CEO and almost seen as God himself, and forget about trying to talking with him, it was easier finding a 4 leaf-clover than getting an appointment to talk with him. After he was done preaching the sermon, he would normally go to his private office with the elders of the church and you wouldn’t see him after that until the next Sunday when he was preaching again.

    Now, I think about my past experience with my old church and after watching this video talking about the importance of a spiritual father and sonship, I realize that these two go hand to hand and it is so important for the church and every christian to really understands and embrace the concept of spiritual father and sonship.
    I feel like there are so many churches out there were these concepts are not in their core values or are not emphasized enough and that can lead to so many members developing an orphan spirit within their church and even against their leaders.

    For example, if a church has a set and specific rules about dating within the members of the church and some members don’t agree with it. A lot of the members might just follow it because every one else is following it or they don’t want to be the black sheep but within their hearts they might not really agree with it and this could cause an orphan spirit towards that leader or even the church. A consequence of this if not taken care of, I feel like this could lead to more disagreements in the future and cause the orphan spirit to grow deeper and even cause the member to leave the church just because he didn’t address it with their leaders or he got a vague response from them, like “You just have to listen to me because I am your spiritual father/leader”.

    I think this why is so important for the church to teach each and every one of their members about importance of the meaning of what spiritual father and sonship is.
    A Christian that knows and takes to heart what spiritual father and sonship is, he knows that his spiritual father has his best interest and heart towards any advice or guidance he is telling his spiritual son and as a spiritual son they have to try to understand where he is coming from and know that he’s only thinking about the their best interest.

  161. Great video- made me think a lot about fathers in this world. It’s sad for me to realize how hard it must be for so many to understand what a father/son relationship SHOULD look like because of broken families. So many families don’t have any idea how a father should act- they may think anger and coldness is the only answer. From someone who didn’t grow up with that lifestyle, I catch myself being shocked and thinking “how in the world could someone think that is okay?!” But we need to ask ourselves… how can someone think that is NOT okay when that’s all they saw? How can one realize what is “normal” or the way things “should be” when they’ve grown up blind and absent from it? To so many, having a father at best could be someone who just provides (home, car, allowance money, education, food, clothes), disciplines when you get in trouble, and praises you when you do well. But a spiritual father truly invests TIME and HEART into another person and really cares about their development and spiritual health. Just how apostle Paul didn’t just give his teachings and leave, a spiritual father doesn’t just give sermons/advice and leave. This helped me make a stronger distinction between father and teacher/instructor. Being newer to New Philly, I was at first confused why everyone kept mentioning PC and PE as the spiritual parents of the house. But I am beginning to realize the depth of those words- spiritual parents. It not only gives them more responsibility to shepherd us and care for us intimately, but it also gives us responsibility to respect and submit to their authority. I really liked when the video said we should trust the people God has put as authority in our lives, especially with spiritual fathers.

    I also really loved Pastor Erin’s description of our God being beneath us helping us back up when we fall versus above us looking down. I struggled a lot with fear of failure as well, and this imagery of God helping us from underneath resonated with me. This video has just helped me better understand what a spiritual father is and taught me how to be a spiritual son. Also from this, I feel safer knowing that the church, especially the spiritual parents, are beneath me and helping me up as well. They are not here to point their fingers at me when I fail, but to lift me up in prayer and support.

  162. Michelle Kim says:

    I was very intrigued when I first came to New Philly and heard people call Pastors Christian and Erin, “papa” or “mom.” Then, I learned about the term, “Spiritual parents,” and was even more confused. I knew I had a “Heavenly Father,” and an “Earthly father,” but I never considered having a “Spiritual father.” Through the seminar on “sonship” and this documentary, I was able to understand what sonship was and the importance of it in church.
    I liked when Pastor Benjamin Robinson said that sonship was an “impartation of a way of life.” In the past, I’ve had pastors who I felt were distant; it was the “CEO and his counterparts” kind of relationship that one of the pastors mentioned in this documentary. However, at New Philly, I feel so close, safe, and covered by my spiritual parents and other church leaders.
    Overall, this documentary clarified “Sonship” for me. I’m excited to walk in the spirit of sonship at New Philly, and to receive covering from the spiritual authorities (PC & PE) He put over me!

  163. Isaiah Kim says:

    I realise I have been Spiritually fatherless for a long time, which led me to struggle almost all alone in the Spiritual battles.

    As I saw Pastor Christian, last week a thought came into my mind. “he is like a father” even before I heard about the church’s emphasis on the Spiritual fatherhood and sonship.

    I believe that in New philadelphia, My spiritual father will help me stay firm in my identity as a Son of God.

  164. Sharon Ahn says:

    Hmm. Most of the ‘sonship’ messages I have heard in the past were about claiming our sonship in Christ alone. In other words, being a child of God – in the same sense as Jesus is God’s son. I wasn’t familiar with the concept of a ‘spiritual father’ because it was hard for me to accept that someone else can give me the same kind of love and care that my earthly father (as well as Heavenly father) can give me. My parents are missionaries and I cannot ask for better parents than the ones I have now. I have a great relationship with both of them where I seek their council almost weekly although we are countries apart and we have a very open and honest relationship. But there is a limit to that! There are certain things in my past, as well as sins that I cannot openly confide with them in fear of hurting them – that is when I turn to my Father in heaven. But this concept of having a spiritual father and mother in the church is a new one and one that I am slowly beginning to grasp. I feel like the spiritual parents we have at church will be helpful in a way that I can be honest about my spiritual shortcomings and don’t have such a big fear of breaking their expectations (as I have with my own earthly parents). I feel like we need both, earthly and spiritual parents. It is difficult for me to personally relate to this and hope to witness what a relationship with a spiritual father and mother would be like at New Philly.

  165. Julian Mok says:

    So I just accepted Christ few months ago. Basically I have no idea about Fathership and Sonship as mentioned in the leadership class and video. However after watching to the video,I managed to get a brief idea about Fathership and Sonship.
    Back in Malaysia I grew up in a family with loving parents and siblings. I don’t feel that I am lack of the paternal love. My physical father is like my friend, he always encourage me and take care of me as if I am his only son. But as time goes, I started to think that all things that my father do to me are just natural and rightful. I don’t need to do something in return. Not until I started to go the New Philly and took leadership class,I realized that I am actually a spiritual orphan and need a spiritual father fathering me in Christ and lead me to God. I dont know how to play the role of a son, either physically or spiritually. But the basic concept of Sonship I could get from the leadership class and the video is God is our Abba Father, Jesus is His son, and for us who believe in Christ are all son of God. And lead pastor is our spiritual father who will lead us into deeper intimacy with God and help us to find our identity in Christ. Before this, I had a mindset that a pastor is someone who spreads the gospel and convey the messages of God. We are disciples who need to listen to words of the pastor and obey it besides honoring him, not into a deeper relationship with pastor. However, after watching to the video, it totally changed my mindset towards Fathership and Sonship. I maybe do not lack of earthly father’s love, but I need a spiritual father! And I am glad to tell that now I have my spiritual father in church and I am never a spiritual orphan anymore. I have a great expectations for things that will change after having a spiritual father and mother.

  166. Amanda Hawkins says:

    Ive been a christian for the better part of my life and looking back realize how much sonship would have benefited me not only in my christian walk but also every aspect of my life. I have been an orphan for so long, just wandering around without covering. Im so grateful for these teachings and revelations. Im so grateful that New Philly has placed such an importance on this concept and vision for this church. To not only win souls for Christ but to raise them up as sons and daughters and to go out to become warriors, not only bring people to christ, but to eventually father and mother them as well. But even as we are raised up to take our place as a father, realizing we are always sons and daughters.

  167. Atembe Fogne says:

    I think this video is very important, for all Christians and for any leader who is a Christian, to hear. There is truly a journey to being a son, and a huge sense of humility is an important aspect of that journey. Hearing that even our spiritual fathers were and are still sons, and that you never grow out of being a son, made me feel like it is actually possible to have a relationship with our spiritual leaders. I grew up in a community where there was a very stern barrier between yourself and your leaders (elders, superiors, etc) and that this was to establish their position and how they are meant to be addressed or heard. Even as a child with my own parents, there were things that you could never say or do, even innocently, because it was almost like children weren’t allowed to act a certain way with their parents that brought too much intimacy or possibly shrunk the distance between the authority of the superior and the subordinate. Of course, there are levels of respect that our leaders deserve, but what kind of relationship do you have if it’s strictly respect without any relationship, connection, or communication? Which is kind of how I interpreted the main message of this video. The relational aspect is lacking and it really needs to change. I wonder how different, or how much more advanced my spiritual journey in Christ would be now if I’d had a more present spiritual father, or a natural father who did not create barriers of authority just because of his position in the family.
    When it was mentioned that even Jesus was a son and did his ministry as a son, it just humbled my heart even more. All the things the Lord has in store for us can and will come, if we just accept our positions as sons first.
    And being a son is truly a blessed position, I can see now. Pastor Erin’s words really touched me the most because I usually see predominantly male leaders in my life, especially in churches or Christian organizations. To hear that women are also sons “because sons get the inheritance…our Father’s words.” And that we all have access to this inheritance…I think it was something I needed to hear as a female and I’m glad it was said.

    • Atembe Fogne says:

      I wanted to add one more thing–I think this video makes it clear that is is just as important to be a son as it is to be a father, and even though a son might be seen as a “lesser” position than the father, it holds its own weight and importance. A child is just as important to the parent as the parent is to the child, and a child is just as important and necessary to the world and people outside the family as the parent. I think this is very important when spreading God’s Word and expanding His Kingdom!

    • You ahve such deep insight and reflection in your comments, Atembe! come on!

  168. Wow I never knew father figure is so important in church. I mean i knew and know so well about the importance of the biological father but never knew it’s so important to have a spiritual father/ mentor to guide me in my spiritual journey. I always thought church as a place to serve, and our lead pastor is just the preacher to give us a better explanation of the Bible. When PB said Timothy didn’t mimic what Paul said but he mimicked what Paul did in his life. And you couldn’t see a disciple will say the same things with the same tone with his teacher because they are not the same. Just the teaching is the same but they have their own style. I find it so true because I can see PC’s heart and care through my CG leaders, but with their own uniqueness on how to discipline and teach us. I also feel relieved when I heard PE’s opinion in this video (yeay for woman’s opinion!). Churches often think male gender can get more inheritance than women because Bible uses the son word than daughter word. After all we are all His children and I know only that matters.

  169. Aram Lee says:

    My conception of fatherhood is pretty vague. I call my earthly father ‘father’, Pastor Christian ‘father’, and God ‘Father’ too. But I don’t think I know what it really means when I use that term ‘father’ as I call them. I don’t think I really know what and how much I can expect from them ‘as a son’, and what kind of love I want to receive from them, and give them back also.
    But recently I’ve tasted a huge breakthrough in my unbelief towards their love for me. My relationships with the three of them was a love-hate relationship. And these days, God has been working on that really powerfully for me to really understand what the true love looks like, and the way He loves. My understanding about love was just all about emotion. All I care was just how I ‘feel’ about, so if I didn’t ‘feel’ it, I didn’t consider it as love. Because all I care was ‘the way’ they deliver their hearts’, I wasn’t able to see ‘the heart’ of a father. And instead of seeing the heart of a father, I blinded my eyes with the bitterness.
    But God has been so patient and gracious with all my doubts. Once I decided to really seek the way He loves, He’s been showering me with the revelation about His love.
    Now I know and actually believe that my earthly, spiritual, and heavenly Father love me so much. This fact itself is a crazy breakthrough, because once I received that truth, the walls between me and them were destroyed and all the life-giving messages they deliver just come to my heart so easily and smoothly without any barriers. This is so amazing!
    Yes, I want to learn and grow deeper into a father-son relationship, and so much excited for this journey!!

  170. Hannah Chong says:

    As I was watching this video, I really felt God saying, ‘you are no longer a spiritual orphan, but you are a son. You are covered.’ Having recently gone through a process of forgiveness and reconciliation with my earthly father, I felt God highlighting to me the importance of now being able to understand His heart for me as a Father. Although we can understand our sonship to God in our personal relationship with Him, our full understanding of it will not come unless we are under a spiritual Father who will manifest God’s heart to us as a Father. One of the desires that were on my heart in joining NP, was because I wanted to be under covering and have a greater revelation of what sonship is/what it looks like. There have been times where fear has tried to hinder me from knowing that there is safety and protection to be vulnerable in this community, but more and more as God is beginning to soften my heart, and as I am learning to receive love, healing has started to take place.

    My prayer is that the wider body will be able to catch onto not what is just merely a theological construct or idea, but truly God’s heart to restore sonship in the church! There is so much power when love abounds within the church, and I believe that love is most greatly displayed when we love each other not only for our perfections, but also for our shortcomings and failures – and what greater way to be able to manifest this love, when it is through the spiritual covering and protection of a Father. His love is made complete in us, when we love one another (1 John 4:12). I can honestly say from the depths of my heart that my life has been impacted from being under the covering of PC and PE, and recognising what it means to be a son.

  171. What are the roles of a leader in a church? Maybe not only in church, but other places like our working places, schools, trips etc. A leader has to be anointed to spread the good news about God so that non believers can believe in Christ. To be a leader, we have to lead a group of our mates, our friends, workers, or even the people that we first met. It would seem to be a great challenge at first, but however, this takes faith and confidence in ourselves to build up a leadership. To be a leader, you don’t have to be neither perfect nor unprepared, that’s why we are to-be-trained leaders now. A leader has to be able to share his life testimony, like all the experiences he/she goes through, and leaders are given authority to lead, and to shepherd people as well. Leaders are to be leaders and to be shepherds, at the same time, too. We have to keep on learning the discipleship, there’s no graduation for leadership. Keep on equipping yourself with His words as swords and shields to lead the nations FAITHFULLY, SAFELY and STEADILY until the destination point. We are given authority to protect them, to shape them into who they really are-they are like the followers, who faithfully and consciously receive the teachings and guiding from their leaders. Last but not least, I would like to seek for an even deeper father-son relationship with God through this NRTC program. Amen? Amen. 

    • So sorry I posted the above comment in the wrong section. Here’s my comment for the Journey of a Son:
      Father’s always a great person, who leads us not only financially, but in terms of morality and directions of our future occupations. But those are the roles of a physical father. We have one more father-Spiritual Father. So, what does it mean by a spiritual Father? A spiritual Father guides us the right ways to live spiritually, physically, mentally and faithfully. Spiritual Father’s like a physical father, too-teaches us the right things to do, to chase after, to receive, to deny. After I finished watching the entire video, I felt like our life just isn’t that great, and NOT ENOUGH, without a Spiritual Father. We are sons of both physical and spiritual fathers, creating a sonship as well. I was a Buddhist and I became Christian when I was 8 years old, when our family were having a real hard time going through the paying of debt because my mother used her company’s money for lottery and gambling purposes. This was the first BIG breakthrough when all of our family members, including me became the sons and daughters of Christ when one of my very close friend of my father, who is a pastor too in Malaysia, led him to Christ, followed by us. Sonship has been really nurturing me with lots of nice “foods” and benefits. I started to get to know more about who a God is, and how He does uniquely, secretly, and meaningfully to prune our life if we allow ourselves to be vulnerable, to be able to allow us to be touched by His holy spirit, and He will eventually speaks up to us. I’m not an orphan but I could totally feel the importance for having both spiritual and physical fathers to keep us accountable, and faithful in doing everything. We are the mighty warriors that have to rise up to save the nations. It’s time to rise up and shine for Him, who guides us spiritually and after we gain so much blessings from all of His works done. We are raised to be His sons and daughters, and his sons and daughters, to unite as ONE SOUL, to communicate through both spiritual and physical fathers, to complete the true meaning of sonship, in finding the truths behind His words, and the lessons behind His messages. Amen.

  172. Youngha Park says:

    Father figure has such an important role in one’s life. A fatherless child has higher chances of getting lost and going into negative aspects of life. This society is being called a fatherless generation physically, but also spiritually. Not a lot of Christians have spiritual father figures to love them fully and lead them through the hardships of being in Christ and many sons and daughters are walking the path of Christianity as spiritual orphans. The characteristic of sonship in Christianity is very interesting to see because I never thought of my spiritual leaders or pastors as spiritual fathers but more like a mentor. Growing up in Korean church in the United States, I always had respect for my pastors and leaders because they nurtured me and always tried to take care of me. Even though this idea of sonship was never mentioned, they showed me what love and caring is, which led me to follow their paths and to show this love to the people that I cared for and take care of them as I became a leader as well. The message that spoke out to me was that there are too many bible study teachers but not too many spiritual fathers because I personally think this is one of the reasons why some people fall out of Christianity. People need a caring and loving father figure in the body of Christ more than a teacher that just knows the Word and strictly are there to just let people know of the bible. Of course, this is important, but the father and son relationship is so much needed especially in this society of individualism.

    To me, a father is a role model and a pillar of the house and without this pillar, the house wouldn’t be able to support itself. Everyone in the family depends on the father of the house and spiritual fathers should be needed for Christians just as a father is needed for a family because the church is a family and body of Christ. Also, I loved the idea of how in a mentorship, the relationship could come to an end but a father and son relationship will last forever as fathers want the sons to receive everything they have and want the sons to watch and reproduce what they’ve done and shared with more blessings to receive. Fathers want the sons to basically build up on what they’ve already built up instead of leaving them to start from the bottom again. I’m glad I can be a part of this family in Christ to receive the gospel, nurturing, covering, love, and the inheritance of God as I am also willing to give as I mature more in Christ.

  173. I loved this video because it really taught and enlightened me on significance the role of the spiritual father plays in the family of Christ. The role of a father impacts a son’s life in many ways because the father is the one who is called to be the head of the household and the one who leads, protects, and covers the family. Without a father, there are many scarce statistics that show consequences on a child’s life later down the road. In the spiritual sense, it also plays a huge impact. When a daughter grows up without the covering from a father, she’s more likely to search that love in someone else. She is more likely to feel insecure about herself because there was never that father figure to tell and empower her on who she is. When a son grows up without the covering from a father, he’s more likely to pick up tendencies of inconsistency, poor fathering, and so forth which will be carried down upon his future family.

    I loved how they addressed the power of a father-son relationship. Even in Christianity, we were never intended to live a life as a orphan, especially when Jesus has told us that we are in the body of Christ and that we are sons of God. I loved how Pastor Erin mentioned that not only men are sons of God, but women too because we all have the same access of inheritance, authority, and the power of the Spirit from God. It empowers the women that this isn’t a gender specific issue, but that we ALL are sons with great inheritance and love from our Heavenly Father.

    There are so many advantages of having a spiritual father in our spiritual walks. Not only do they teach us, but we get to live in a mutual relationship with them. They get to share their heart to us. We become covered, secure, and protected. The father isn’t just looking down on you but he’s below you, lifting you up. That’s the heart of a spiritual father.

    -Lyann Trang

  174. Tiffany Maxwell says:

    Before I came to NP, I’d never thought about spiritual fathers, or even heard people talk about spiritual fathers. I’m really thankful to be in this community where I can learn more deeply about what it means to be a son and, as I grow, a father, too.

  175. I always new the importance of a spiritual family and that fatherlessness was a serious problem, but I never realized the depth of the repercussions of fatherlessness. I love this passion of “Father the Fatherless”

  176. Winnie Chan Wei Ling says:

    Growing up having my parents divorced when I’m in middle school, there’s just few memories that I barely remember being with my father was when I was a child. The small bit of details spending time with my dad just flashed back in my mind as I watched the clip of Joseph with his father. I just realised this is what I want, how the relationship with father that I’ve wanted. It opened up my eye that how a father can be so important in a child’s growth into maturity.

    Without a father since my years in middle school, though I thought it doesn’t really affect me a lot, but now I started to realise the reason behind that I’ve always lack of security and questioning my self-value. Having a loving mum is great for me, but I realised growing up without a father figure that speaks life to me, I found myself most of the time confused and felt so lost having to figure out things myself. The core value of new phily ‘Father the fatherless’ just stood up to me and I think God’s going to take me to a journey of great explore of sonship.

    This video introduced to me a new concept of a spiritual father. Sonship is not just mimicking the father but to learn the way of life from a spiritual father. The father would be fully confident to send out his son because he knows that the son is going out to do things in his way, knowing his heart.

    Spiritual sonship is not just for sons but daugthers that have the inheritance from the father and have access to the father’s word. The way Pastor Erin described a spiritual father highlighted to me that having a father is not just that he’s above you, looking down at you but to know that whenever I’m about to fall, he would always be there to push me up so that I can continue pursuing my calling and not holding back.

  177. After watching this it made me realize how I have lacked the presence of not only a real father but constant spiritual fathers in my life. I get excited when I see how the Holy Spirit is establishing this in churches! Fatherlessness has serious consequences but in God’s grace He brings freedom and safety as He establishes us in family.

  178. Raymond Seo says:

    Just like how we need a father in our natural families, this documentary highlights the needs of a spiritual fatherhood and sonship in the church today. Many youths of this generation carry around an orphaned spirit and don’t have a father figure that speak life into their lives. In every heart, we are all longing to connect in an intimate, relational way with somebody. Before New Philly, I was not familiar with the idea of spiritual fatherhood and sonship. I didn’t think something like that can be experienced within a church. I now realize this church and its leaders reflect the heart of the Father and we as sons should seek out intimacy with the leaders God has ordained around us.

  179. David Haram Kim says:

    From this documentary, we see that a lot of sinfulness and brokenness in our society originates from fatherlessness. In the beginning of the documentary, all of those statistics showed how important a father figure is in our lives. And more so, a spiritual one.
    It was really awesome when Pastor Benjamin referred to 1 Corinthians 4, when Paul wrote how even though you may have 10,000 instructors in Christ, you don’t have many fathers. I thought this was so true and that we need to identify and distinguish with wisdom who our spiritual instructors and spiritual fathers are in our lives. And we see that fathers are very few.
    I also agreed with Cameron Moberg when he emphasized the importance for a pastor and leader to have someone in their life who is pouring into them, seeing them as a son, and loving them. For me, as a pastor’s son, it’s easy to view my father as a spiritual father as he pours into me, he sees me as a son, and he loves me. And indeed, I’m blessed to have a father who views me in that way. But I think the way in which my dad taught me and sown into me was limited because of a big language barrier. I’m not completely sure if I ever had a spiritual father in my past I truly identified with other than my biological father. A spiritual father whom I identify as a father and who viewed me as his son and really taught me and sown into me in great ways.
    Spiritual sonship is a term that’s feels very new to me even though I grew up in church. Especially growing up in a Korean church, I don’t think I’ve ever seen the concept of sonship emphasized. But as I see this documentary and other messages regarding sonship, it needs to be a concept understood by all churches. We need to experience what Paul was saying to Timothy as his son.

  180. (Dilys efesoa) i was really touched by this. While growing up in a single parent home the idea of having a father figure was and still is very foreign to me. In the video the guy mentions that just because you can make a child does not necessarily mean that you are a father. Being a good father is about staying and caring for a child through the good and the bad times. I think that we all need to have that father figure in our lives that we can rely on.

  181. Wow I’m glad I watched this after hearing pastor Benjamin Robinson’s sermon about identity and church brings more clarity to the sonship concept. Before listening to the sermon and watching this documentary, I don’t really understand when people in the New Philly Church talked about spiritual father. I can understand spiritual sister and spiritual brother, but why spiritual father because God is our Father.
    Through sonship, as you become God’s family member then you will have deep intimacy, connection, love, and trust. That cannot be explained, it only exist within the family. How wonderful it is to have somebody to speak to you, to invest in you, somebody to learn from, and somebody to share everything that happens in you. And you can’t do that with just anybody, you do it with your family.
    Even though I’m a girl, I’m a son of God because inheritance are the privilege of the sons. And through sonship, we will have full inheritance and full relationship to God.
    I think knowing our identity as a son of God is the first button, the most important step to take for our walk in Christ. And then after that everything will start.

  182. This gave me more clarity on what exactly spiritual fatherhood and sonship looks like. It’s sad that I keep hearing of spiritual fatherhood and sonship, but I don’t think I’ve ever really tangibly seen this in my church back in NY or in any other churches I know of in NY. Like Pastor Christian mentioned in the video, often times functions comes before family. I feel super blessed and thankful to be a part of this New Philly family. In the short time I’ve been in Korea, I already see so much of what fatherhood should look like through John Michael. I liked the part in the video that said that the power of fatherhood is in being a Son. You don’t just wake up and become a father one day. Being a father first takes being a Son.

    I also really liked Pastor Erin’s illustration of the father not just being above us and looking down, but the father being beneath us and lifting us up. I think I often see God as above me or beside me, but actually He is beneath me and lifting me up and cheering and on as well.

  183. This is a powerful, powerful video. It brings to light the lack of inheritance that is passed on from generation to generation in so many churches these days. There are so many disconnected, fatherless Pastors going around establishing churches and preaching the gospel without a committed father-son relationship.

    We desperately need the spirit of sonship to permeate the church. Without it, its like we are individually trying to reach up without the covering and wisdom of a specific relationship to help us grow closer to God.

    I love that it all starts with sonship. We start this covenant relationship with God as a son. Then servant, then friend. I love that in a church like New Philly, my worth is not based on what I can functionally give back to the community. I love that we are not trying to measure success solely by statistics. In this community, value is placed in the depth of relationships, and how these relationships are enabling us to grow deeper with God.

    In a lot of ways, it’s hard to understand how a church can honor a broken person like me and establish me as a son. But I believe that this is the Father’s heart, to set me in a family of God, and raise me up.

  184. Yong Shu Hua says:

    It was good to start off with this video as it set the context for journey ahead in NRTC. I go into this NRTC expecting to be fathered and mentored by a spiritual father in the house of God, as well as to learn what it means to be a spiritual son. I love how this concept of spiritual father and son is biblical, and how it is in God’s heart to have us fathered and be removed of an orphan spirit.

    Mentoring is a way of life. It is a long-term commitment between the father and the son. As much the father is ready to impart, the son must be willing and ready to receive. The son is empowered through the mentoring, and in the future, he becomes a spiritual father to another generation of sons. As for spiritual fathers in the house, I love the humility exhibited by the pastors in the video; they are conscious of the fact that they always live in the position of needing a spiritual father. Indeed it is a cycle of mentorship that reproduces strong and healthy individuals for generations to come.

    I look to Jesus as my spiritual father. But what impacted me in this video was that Jesus also did his ministry in the spirit of a son. He doesn’t just obey His father God mechanically, but He does it out of love and respect for His father. Jesus is also, God’s beloved son, in whom He is well-pleased. Likewise I can enter into a spiritual relationship with the fathers and mothers of this house of God knowing that their heart is for me to grow and flourish, and as I submit to, respect, and honor them, I reap benefits which I would never have gotten elsewhere out of the church. It is setting me up for a blessing, for success. To me, it is also a demonstration and manifestation of the relationship that Jesus shared with God. It is rebuilding what the devil had tried to steal and destroy for generations; the foundation of society, family.

  185. Anne Hong says:

    I think most of us can agree that sonship is important, not just on one level, but on many levels. I definitely agree and see how churches these days may know sonship conceptually to a certain point, but lack in the experiential walking in it part. This could be for many reasons. But, I believe it is an urgent need and something that will radically change and impact this generation.

    I love that sonship is not just an idea or concept, but it is an actual ongoing relationship that can be carried out. A lot of times, things simply just come down to good intentions, ideas, and plans and never move beyond that. Sonship requires time, intenionality, sincerity, openness, love, etc and to see that carried out within a church is a huge blessing. Personally, I haven’t experienced that kind of relationship growing up, but I know that whether or not I knew it was a “father” that i needed, I was longing for this kind of relationship all along.

    A point that stuck out to me was when Pastor Erin mentioned that a father is someone who is also beneath you lifting you up and that stuck out to me because that is something different from what I’ve experienced in the past. I guess just even thinking of someone wanting to be invested in me to that extent really overwhelms me…not in a bad way…but in a way that moves and blesses me.

    Essentially, sonship points us to God and even though we are all imperfect, God is using these relationships to radically impact not only ourselves but the world around us.

  186. I love the dude that said it was “the first time a man had told me ‘i love you'”. Understanding the love of God through our human interactions is paramount. What an amazing concept to have an authority over you like a father and thus having intimacy of a father with someone that could be in great lack of that very thing. It might be the only place they hear and feel those words “i love you” in an earthly fashion.

  187. Minah Kim says:

    Growing up, I have heard the “sonship” several times at my previous church, but did not know exactly about fatherhood and sonship until I came to NP. I just thought that the sonship is a relationship between God and me. And I thought that a relationship with my pastors and leaders is a relationship between the shepherd and the sheep. In my concept, shepherd takes care of sheep to the best of their responsibility, but does not share their hearts and lives. My pastors and leaders gave me a lot of teaching and led me to God, but the relationships with them were not the same as one between father and son. So I could never think of them as spiritual fathers. Although I felt an intimacy in the relationship with my great pastors and leaders, but that feeling did not last for long. Watching this documentary, I realized why the relationship could not continue. Because the relationship is not “sonship”. I’m looking forward to true “sonship” experience with my spiritual father/mother. And I strongly desire that all Christians have come to realize about spiritual fatherhood and sonship.

  188. To be completely honest, the concept of Spiritual Sonship is something new and was a bit uncomfortable to me. I grew up in a strong Christian household, and my grandparents and parents emphasized the importance of family (and our family only). Humans grow up and give the same kind of love that was given to them. Likewise I believe my Korean parents and grandparents grew up with no spiritual Father figures, but only functional figures. I was taught that our real family was the only thing I needed and the only people I should trust. Anyone outside of our family, Christian or not, was to be treated with respect and etiquette, but with distance and caution. No complete trust or intimacy was to be given to anyone outside of my parents’ and siblings’. “Trust no one but your family because even pastors, church leaders, and church members are humans. And humans are capable of hurting you, even if they don’t mean to. And you will get hurt”. As this was my father’s and family’s mindset, I saw the church as a formal organization with set of rules and duties, not an actual place of comfort, trust, and relational intimacy. Already having tendencies to socially isolate myself and years of depression, I grew up isolated not just in social context, but also in the spiritual rhelm (as an angry but desperately hungry for love Atheist). But as I migrated to South Korea, and became physically cut off from my real family, I had no other choice but to seek God and his people. He began to show me that family isn’t defined by blood DNA, and that I had to step out of the “protective bubble” my parents nurtured me in. As I got to encounter God and encounter Him as a Father, and not some kind of theological being, the heart of what it means to be a Son was becoming clear to me. As God’s son, my Father is not a figure above me, getting ready to be dissapointed over my childish faults. God isn’t just Bible verses, theological information, or Jesus phamplets. Rather He’s a relational Father, a Father who is always there next to me, even at times under me, pushing me back up, cheering and loving on me, despite any circumstances. He is a being! My perspective shifted from “slave mentality” to “son mentality”, from skeptical and alone to believer and a son. Even now, breaking off the old perspectives is a process, but I am starting to understand God’s family. If God is a Good Father, so are His people, his sons and daughters. Yes, people are human and humans make mistakes. But as a fellow human being, we never grow out of the need to be a son, and the need for love. We need to have spiritual father figure and intimate relationships, and I cannot live forever “protecting” myself in an isolating comfort zone. “Brothers” and “sisters”, “father” (lead pastor) used to be Sunday School poster words for me. But now they truly mean family. And Family means love, acceptance, growth, intimacy, and all positive things. It doesn’t mean I’m never going to get hurt, but it means I can and have to walk out in trust and intimacy. I am excited but also nervous about growing and experiencing this sonship from my Spiritual Mother and Father, and fellowship with my spiritual Brothers and Sisters. But I know it will be okay, because I am stepping out of the bubble.

  189. Michelle Chaewon Kim says:

    The closest thing I had to a spiritual father-son relationship is my relationship with my “soonjang”(it means a small group leader) when I was involved with KCCC NY. I met my soonjang in my freshman year of college. She continuously covered me in prayer, was always there for me if I ever needed to talk, grieved with me when I was going through a difficult time and was not afraid to go out of her way if it was what it took to help me grow. Although her duty as a soonjang has officially ended when she graduated from college, she continues to do the same to this day. I didn’t know the terms “sonship” or “spiritual nakedness” back then, and nor was I aware of how biblically important what she was doing for me was. It was after I came to New Philly (and especially after I listened to this sermon) that I came to be able to recognize how biblical and crucial it is to walk in such covering and that it is not just an optional thing that I can have in one season if I’m lucky enough to have such loving leader and not have it in another season if I’m not lucky, but actually is something that all Christians need in all seasons. I really appreciate how this house repeatedly stresses it and clearly shows us what it is by actually covering us in sonship. I was also very touched when PC said he prioritizes his sons’ serving at church not on function, but on relationship as he practices this covering.

  190. Jason Yang says:

    “Any fool can make a baby, but it takes a father to raise a child.”

    Within the today’s fatherless generation, children are often left vulnerable at the worst time. Growing up without the sheltering of a proper father can lead to a devastating future for kids. Fathers place a huge significance in the family and often act as role models for their sons and daughters. Without a proper and nurturing father, it’s hard to look up to someone for leadership and guidance.

    A spiritual father is necessary in a church community for similar reasons. Personally, I’ve never come across this concept until I’ve entered NPC, so it was a bit new to me. At first I was confused about the idea, but slowly I started to embrace it. I think it’s vital that we have a spiritual father to look up to and grow under his presence. The connection with a spiritual father helps me feel special and loveable for who I am, and that makes me move so much more powerfully with the Lord.

  191. Ericka L. Mack-Andrew says:

    For the majority of my life, I felt like I was just another one of those fatherless statistics. Among my social networks, it was rare to see a two-parent household. I just accepted my father’s absence as the way the world worked.

    Then, about four years ago, I received a prophecy that God was promising me family restoration. Now, my relationship with my natural father is so strong that I go to him with whatever is on my heart before I go to my mom and my best friend.

    I noticed that as my relationship with my natural father shifted, so did the way that I related to God. Before, I had no grid for understanding what it meant to call God our Father. Until, He restored my relationship with my daddy and now I understand that the same desire I have to bring my heart to daddy first in the natural is the desire that I should have with him in the spirit.

    Until I started connecting with New Philly and watched this video, the orphan spirit in me did not recognize the need for a spiritual father as well. I was under the impression that I didn’t need another human to mediate in my relationship with God.

    Now, I understand that my relationship with God was incomplete without this connection of sonship. So, as my relationship with my natural father continues to grow, I look forward to my growth as a (spiritual) son.

  192. Shine Jang says:

    This video was very inspiring and powerful. I’ve studied and learned about the consequences of broken families in sociology and psychology classes, but the percentages of many different consequences/impact of fatherlessness shown in the very beginning of the video were very surprising. Seeing these numbers, the tangible proof of the need and importance for the presence/role of a father, really got my attention and stirred something in my heart.

    Since I listened to the 3 key sermons that we were told to listen first, I just listened to Pastor Benjamin’s sermon, “Identity and Church” right before watching this video. I realized this video is very much related to this sermon as it talks about the importance of sonship before anything. This video clearly shows that being properly fathered is not just important in the natural, but that it is crucial in the spiritual as well. My former pastor back home first introduced the concept of spiritual parents to me. In fact, I considered her as my spiritual mother during her time of ministry at our church, but ever since she left our community, I felt like I’ve “lost” my spiritual mother even though I still acknowledged and honored her as one. However, watching this video, I realized it doesn’t work that way.

    My relationship with my earthly father always has been very tight and deep. Through the whole time of watching this video, I couldn’t stop thinking about my dad, and just being so thankful for him for being a super good father both in the physical and the spiritual realms.

    And, I love the fact that although I’m a female, I’M also A SON IN THE SPIRIT!

  193. Young Rae Kim says:

    THis documentary was full of wisdom and truth. It really showed the lack and the need of fathers in our society. We can see how the absence or the neglect of fathers has a huge impact on sons. Most of the children without fathers end up in jail, using drugs, alcohol, homeless, …etc. However, something that has often gone unnoticed is the lack of spiritual fathers in the church.
    What I got from this documentary was that I while I have a loving father, I never had a spiritual father in my life. While I had respected many pastors in my past I never fully submitted to them in sonship, nor did pastors take on the role of a spiritual father with me. I tried to figure out my spiritual walk with God on my own. I took parts of teachings from multiple pastors and tried to come up with my own. However, this video highlighted that spiritual pastors pass down their teachings to their sons, and they entrust it to the sons. But not only do fathers pass down teachings, they pass down their way of life. I think this part of sonship was very lacking in mylife.

  194. having a spiritual father is such a blessing! as a son, not only will i get the rich inheritance,
    but also i could learn the intimate relationship. my spiritual father is not just a leader, not just a teacher, but also my loving father. I feel so secure and loved. i can experience more freedom when I am around my father than when i am around my teacher or leader because i can trust that my father will never give up on me and will love me throughout. also, in a relationship with a spiritual father, the priority is on the “relationship” than “work” itself. I am looking forward to walk under the spiritual father’s covering and to learn the way of life from him. that will also restore any distorted unhealthy image of a father I had before.

  195. Amy Loi says:

    So much wisdom flowing here and there! I am so blessed by the introduction of fatherhood and sonship here in this video. This is something so brand new to me but it is so genuine. A spiritual father and son relationship is not about raising up a functional son with great performance but the heart behind it as a relational nurturing and mentoring. I really want to learn the way of life by submitting myself to God, church and spiritual father to reconcile what i have experienced as i could not have chance to learn from my biological father. Also, i am thankful that even though i am a female, I can proudly say that i am a son of God! I serve as a son to the church! Sonship is awesome!

  196. Jina Yu says:

    This was a great documentary really following the need for sonship and fatherhood within the church. This showed the powerful implications of both being a father in the physical as well as in the spirit.

    The importance of fatherhood and sonship not only have an impact on those in the covenant relationship but also impact the church as a whole. This impacts how other members within the church live not as orphans but as sons. It also impacts how men and women view their inheritance and position within the church.

  197. Charles Ting says:

    The seminar “The Spirit of Sonship” did give me an image of our identity as sons of God and how God reveals His love to His Begotten Son, Jesus and His people but I was still confused about the fatherhood and sonship should be built in the local church. I could hardly accept that the pastors be our spiritual father before I watched this video. Now, I could understand the concept of sonship in the local church but I need some more time to fit myself in this mindset. There is a weird feeling in me of suddenly you have a new father in your life besides your biological father and Heavenly Father and kind of difficulty to build another intimate relationship with this new father. However, I do believe that if this is God’s will, I will obey His will but not listen to my heart. Thanks for this wonderful video!

  198. Aaron Rangoonwala says:

    Seeing mentorship in the church through the lens of sonship adds a structure and depth that I had not previously encountered in churches. I knew it is a good thing to be mentored and also mentor or disciple others when you are at a point to be capable to do so but how does that relationship look or function? I hadn’t really had teaching on that.

    This father/ son model is so poweful because of the love that a father has for his sons. He wants the best for him and wants to shape and help him in any way he can. Its a deep selfless love. As a son I would crave a seek that covering and avenue of advice and wisdom in all areas of life. Life is a group project. I don’t want to tackle it alone. We are meant for life in the beloved community so we can help each other in love.

    One thing that was intriguing to me was the mention that the doctrine of sonship was and is still relevant in Eastern orthodoxy. I didnt know this and would be curious to learn more about the historical application of this teaching and how the modern orthodox church lives out sonship in their communities since they have a long practice with the concept.

  199. Lydia Ju says:

    Oh man, just listening and watching this video gave me such a yearning in my heart as well. The concept of spiritual Father is fairly new to me as well, because I was an abandoned daughter of my true father, but that concept of a spiritual father is just being built up so strongly through the community of New Philadelphia Church as well as through our spiritual parents. This video spoke so deeply to my heart, just the need and importance of spiritual fathers. When the video mentions Apostle Paul and Timothy, it gave me a yearning to contend for that family oriented relationship amongst more pastors, leaders with people of Christ and non christians. I hope to become someone who can value people relationally putting on a family dynamic like PC mentioned, through the effort, time, and building of a trustworthy relationship. I was super blessed when Pastor Lacy talks about his decision to leave the church and how his pastor did bless and release him, but he was not sent out, and once he realized that he wasn’t sent out, Pastor Lacy’s confrontation with his pastor built such a strong relationship leading Pastor lacy to trust in the Lord’s leaders established in His life. It just instilled faith again in the Lord’s ways and leaders. Inadequacy is always filled and established by our Father.

  200. Gina Park says:

    I was able to feel how God’s true love can be shown through churches. I realized how spiritually orphan I was. It really stirred my heart up wanting to be truly spiritually fathered in this church, so that I can able to pour out true love to others only through God’s love.

  201. Yeana Kim says:

    Because churches always use the word “Father” in prayers and the word itself is everywhere on the Bible, I never realized that the Father-son relationship had not been clearly recognized. I thought this was something obvious until I watched the documentary and wondered if I had ever thought God as my father. Also, I learned that pastors are not only a spiritual father to someone but also a son.

    When Pastor Victor Cervantes gave an example of wanting to simply call and say hi to his mother who has passed away already, I understood how important it is to be a spiritual son in order to be loved and cared for. This video made me feel that I want to have a strong father-son relationship, too.

  202. Kimberly Ahn says:

    Growing up, I had many different Pastors come and go within my church. There was never a consistent pastor to look up to. Not only was this true for the English youth ministries, but also for the KM. As the documentary had stated, I also had many mentors and pastors who I looked to for advice, prayer, and direction. Yet again, it was never a singular pastor or leader within the church, but a pastor or leader who was leading me within that season of my life.

    I have heard the term “sonship” prior to NP, but “discipleship” was something that was used more often in the church where I served back in the States. Instead of cultivating sons within the church, we were raising up disciples. And I can see how different and how much more intimate a Father and son relationship is. As Pastor Benjamin said, it is so clearly evident within the Bible that the church is the household of God and that we should be sons and that the pastors within the church should be seen as our fathers, that lead us. It is so often and heartbreaking to see how critical we, the church and congregation, can be of pastors, instead of seeing them as spiritual fathers who are pouring into our lives. Instead of continuing in my path of being a spiritual orphan without a spiritual father, I am overjoyed and ecstatic to start my journey as a spiritual son!! Pumpeddddd! :)

  203. Finally! This is what I was waiting for. The first thing I did after listening to this documentary was send the link to my brother. We have grown up in incredible, non-denominational, but spirit-filled churches throughout our lives but strongly feel that in at least one “the church [was] lacking fathers.”
    I come from a broken home and was mostly raised by my mom in high school. Not having a consistent father figure, although he provided financially, was very challenging. On an emotional level, I was without that connection from a worldly father.
    I agree 110% with the “recapturing” of sonship, echoed by our core value “father the fatherless.” It is Biblical, breathed from the mouth of God and should be actively practiced in our community. Somany of us are broken and need this connection.
    I was thrilled to hear that all new recruits were encouraged to listen and comment, because it is a message that needs to be remembered and brought to life in the church.
    In the church I attended where I felt there were too few father-figures, I felt that void of unity and connection. The gap between the spiritually mature and the newly hungry was just widening.
    I was hungry. I am still hungry. My cry is always, ‘how to I get closer to God, where you are, where they are.. teach me what you know.’
    I love what was said about the need to have someone “pour into your life” as I feel it is necessary. Building relationship, sharing that trust and having wisdom imparted into your love out of love is such a beautiful gift to receive and to share. It allows that closeness to remain between people. It is something I have always needed, especially with my family scattered all over and now in a country, foreign to me without my blood-family here too.
    I am proud to be in a family in SK where I am a son. I get the inheritance. I am needed for a greater calling in the family. PREACH IT!

    • Kate! Loved reading your response about this video and your vulnerability in sharing about your past!

  204. Joseph Lee says:

    I feel like fatherhood, spiritual fatherhood is what I need.I became a Christian and as I was living my Christian life, I never had a spiritual father figure. Just bible and me. No relationship with father figure. I think that drove me into negative behaviors and wrong interpretation of the bible. In the clip, Pastor Benzamine talks about Paul being a father to Timothy teaching the way he should live. Not only the doctorine. I agree also with the relational fatherhood. Just having the relationship with a spiritual father figure is like who God is. Without actual relationship even if as a pastor, i think it’s very dangerous in the way you live. I think we all need a spiritual father.

  205. Hye R. Song says:

    As a newcomer to the charismatic church, sonship and spiritual father/mother sounded like a jargon for a while. Now I recall that I have been spiritually orphaned since my born-again. However, it is over now, and I am so blessed with coming across the New Philly in my nomadic life.

  206. Arielle Arn says:

    First I need to start by praising God for the father I have received in my life because i have never once felt fatherless. My father is such a man of God and while providing for my family physically also led us spiritually. This has given me such an understanding of what my father God is like and has helped to reveal his heart for me.the church I grew up I was also full of father figures. It was very much a community where the village helps raise the child. It is such a beautiful intangible gift to receive. Coming to Korea i was not sure how I would ever find a community I was truly part of again in that same way. “Oh -me- of little faith” God has not only provided but has given me an even deeper picture of it. Here is a community that has not adopted me since birth we are not even the same race or share the same culture but just in the fact that we are all sons of God I feel truly a part of a family again 1700 miles from home. This gives me a small picture of what heaven surely will be like when all the sons are welcomed home by the Father to join him in a rich inheritance forever. How great is our God?!

  207. Wow. As I was watching this, I realized the power that comes from being able to say, “Yes, I have a father and I am a son.” Being Christian is not about following a list of things to do and things to not do, but it is a way of life; It is about living as a son. It is about living as the son of the Father. And there is so much power that comes in being the son!

    Having a father opens the door to intimacy, security, and trust. Watching this documentary made me think of my earthly father, and how much I am blessed by simply having a father, who I know, if I am in any sort of trouble, would give up everything to help me out in however way possible. And this gave me a revelation of my Father in heaven, who, I know is a good good father, and who has already shown me how much he loves me on the cross. My way of life should be as a son of the the Kingdom of heaven, as the inheritor of his blessings. Besides these two sonships, being a son in the church, having a spiritual father, this concept is a bit more new to me, but I understand fully why this is so important and how there really is no other way than sonship. In a church, where we should be growing as one body, praying for each other, building each other up, how can we function as a healthy church if we go to church as a spiritual orphan? Having an orphan spirit, scared to opened up from fear of getting hurt, and then opening up, only to find that that person does not have a father’s heart and does not really care how that person is doing spiritually, that can be a lot of hurt.

    Also, growing up, I feel like a lot of the churches lacked this sense of sonship. Pastors were merely teachers, church members were just students with no roots attached to the church, leaving the church when they got bored with the sermon lessons. Going to church shouldn’t be like going to another class lecture, but it should be relational, walking in sonship, one with the father’s heart, secured and covered.

  208. It was very interesting to see it laid out in a very systematic way of the concept of Sonship. I never had the word growing up but I did have the concept through my parents and some leaders in the churches I grew up in. I say churches because my father was in the US Navy and we moved around a lot not that we were church hopers. Looking back though I don’t remember seeing it actually in the church. A since of accountability to others or Overseeing of Spiritual growth. It’s nice to be cared for although sometimes it feels like meddling but that’s exactly like a parent child relationship. The child eventually see the benefits when they are grown.

  209. Amanda Highsmith says:

    As an ordained deacon, I have come to realize how important mentoring and sonship is especially at the beginning stages of ministry. I never really had a spiritual father or mentor. Sure there were church leaders and professors who helped guide me occasionally but no one to really sit down with me on a regular basis to see how I was doing and to be one to help me gain confidence in my skills as a leader. As a result, I’ve never felt as though I am a good leader but a good co-leader, team member or follower. Its also why I’ve moved onto other ministries, or stepped away from ministry, without consulting a spiritual leader. There was no one to hold me accountable or to help counsel me when things got confusing or rough.

    In many churches today it feels as though there are always spiritual guides (fathers) to the men in ministry but no one for the women called into ministry. Thus listening to this has made me excited for the future and getting the guidance I’ve been craving for years.

  210. Julian Cheung says:

    This video spoke a lot to me about the importance of spiritual fathers. I couldn’t imagine living without my natural father, getting older I realise how much I have been shaped by his love and presence. How much more important then is spiritual father who can shepherd you in your walk with God.

    As a Christian I feel like much of my walk has been as a spiritual orphan. This has stunted my spiritual growth when I refuse to let people speak into my life who I do not have a relationship with or have no where to turn with intimate questions.

    The biblical foundation of this principle is strong with Paul and his relationship with Titus and Timothy and also Jesus and God the father. I feel blessed to be part of a church that has the intimacy of a family and the spirit of fatherhood.

  211. Michael Chan says:

    This video definitely dug deep into my heart about the church and how we need spiritual fathers and sons in the house. It also made me think more about my natural father as well and how I’ve been shaped by his way of life, whether positive or negative.

    In the past, I’ve always viewed the pastors of the church as like the boss of the church and the people in charge. This tells me that I’ve been a spiritual orphan in the church, unwilling to let others into my life. With a spiritual father covering over the church, as members of the church, we can truly be brothers and sisters in our visible local church, and not just the universal one. Having this understanding that the church is our family truly makes me excited to grow and mature as a son of NPChurch.

  212. Sam Choi says:

    This video has helped me to revisit and ponder on the idea of sonship and its importance.
    The idea of sonship is quite new to me but this video has firstly, outlined the importance of sonship and secondly, the heart behind it.

    I particularly liked how PB spoke about how sonship is a big theme in Paul’s Christian paradigm. I never thought of it that way but this is exactly the relationship that is described in Paul’s letters between him and Timothy. A spiritual father and son relationship.

  213. Louise Kim says:

    Spiritual fatherhood and sonship has been largely forgotten in the body of Christ yet it is a key part of Paul’s epistles.

    Spiritual fatherhood and sonship often times begins with birth and nurturing, like how Paul planted and stayed with the church at Corinth. But beyond this, it is the impartation of words and a way of life which brings sons to full maturity where they can fully represent their fathers (be sent) and share the inheritance that has been received. Even at this point, there is no graduation as such from sonship because to be a father is to be a son. Christ himself, though the everlasting father, lived and carried out his ministry as a son of God the father and he prioritised this aspect of his identity above any other.

    In the local church, spiritual sonship allows deeper intimacy as relationship is emphasised over function. This has been one of the greatest blessings for me since I’ve been at New Philly because I know that I always start from a place of being loved, rather than striving to earn it.

  214. Tri Thanh Nguyen says:

    One of my greatest desires, a dream, “the dream” if you will, is to become a spiritual father/grandfather/great grandfather. Watching this video really reinforced the value of spiritual fathers and spiritual sons.

    Upon following God’s leading to return to Australia, I realised the importance of being part of a church, being part of a house, but really, to be a son in the house, and grow as a spiritual father is what is truly important. Jesus is the author and perfecter of our faith, the one on whom our eyes are to be fixed, the example. Jesus said that if we have seen him, that we have seen the father. What if the church is to have the same heartbeat?

    I’m excited at becoming and growing as a son in the house here at New Philly. I’m glad to hear that sonship is such a big part of New Philly. I’m looking forward to growing in relationship with the fathers God has placed at New Philly, and so too, the sons.

    There was such peace found in the faces of the pastors sharing in the video. That was very good to see. I was truly relieved to hear of the focus being to produce fully mature sons.

    Whilst in Japan I had the experience of having a really good spiritual father. I am looking forward to discovering who the spiritual fathers are that God has placed in my life here at New Philly.

  215. “Spiritual Father” it’s a term I’ve heard thrown around for quite some time at NP, but it was one I could never really grasp, until now. I don’t know if it’d be wrong for me to think of a spiritual father as a mentor type figure, but without me even realising it, I too have a spiritual father.

    The example in the video of the “son” being an extension of the Spiritual Father resonated with me, because by looking at the way I handle certain situations, I can trace it back directly to my Spiritual Father(s) who in this case are my parents. I remember back to the ways they handled struggles whether it be financial/emotional/spiritual and find a lot of those characteristics in my actions.

    The responsibility of ordinary men having to become Father’s in the church is something that I thought only deacons/pastors would have to do, but knowing that it is my responsibility just as much as the next persons is something that I am still learning to grasp. I just know that as Father’s we have to have a constant overflow of the Father’s agape love.

  216. It was during my time in Korea as an exchange student in 2012, when I first heard of spiritual father and sonship. Growing up in a presbyterian church and later in a conservative immigrant church in New Zealand, I believed pastors were people who taught the correct doctrine, fed weekly spiritual food and ensured that each member was active in the community through serving the church. Pastors were kind and respected however, in no way could I perceive them as a father. The inception of the concept in 2012 was so foreign and strange that I initially questioned Emmaus and New Philly’s teaching. No one had taught me sonship and relationship between pastors and members could be intimate.

    The fact that sonship involves church to prioritise valuing people relationally first, then delving into the conceptual and the functional aspect, and also transcending multi generationally between spiritual grandfather to his spiritual son to his spiritual grandson, gave me hope and assurance that I was under a good care. This video cemented the trust I have in the leadership structure of New Philly and that I am under the authority of PP and PJ in this season by God’s good purpose.

  217. Rebecca Kim says:

    I always thought I had a spiritual covering from my parents and subsequently my church leaders. I feel however that I have been an orphan many times in my walk with God. This title of spiritual father and child had never been expressed and talked about with the church leaders I seeked advice from. Therefore, I feel retrospectively that it prevented a deeper more lasting and meaningful exchange. I was hurt several times throughout my time in the church as I felt my mentors repeatedly closed down the relationship we had once they were no longer my bible study leader or small group leader. I feel having this spiritual sonship would have allowed a more intimate relationship that would have gone beyond simple responsibilities these leaders had in their role.

  218. David Chong says:

    This video really reiterated to me that the Christian walk can’t be done alone. It all just makes sense when I think about how if my relationship with God was primarily based on religion, it wouldn’t be a relationship at all.
    I love how sonship doesn’t have a set time frame (differentiating it from something more static like mentorship) and is not so much about mere imitation as it is about sowing into, investing in, and speaking into a son’s life from the Father’s point of view.
    Sonship wasn’t a concept I really ever even thought about prior to coming to New Philly, but seeing it demonstrated through PC & PE who in turn have their own spiritual parents, and are spiritual parents to my campus pastors, I can’t deny there is a wealth of intimacy, honour, wisdom and accountability to be borne out of proper sonship.
    I feel convicted that sonship is something we should be living out right now. I don’t want to be missing out on my inheritance, and I want to be well equipped to be able to do the same for the next generation!

  219. Henry Spice says:

    A Spiritual father longs to see a son grow and flourish. I trust New Philadephia Church’s structure and its remarkable leadership. As an obedient son I am ready to humbly submit to its leadership, i sincerely want to learn and grow into a fully mature son of the house. God bless New Philly. God bless Korea.

  220. Linda L says:

    The video opened up with statistics about lacking a natural father then went on to talk about spiritual fathers. It really helped connect me with the seminar that Pastor Christian delivered about sonship. We are all the sons of God and have an inheritance. However, we also need a spiritual father who can guide us, teach us and encourage us or rebuke us when needed. The idea of being a spiritual orphan had never occurred to me till today, but now I see how lacking a spiritual father and not realizing I am a son of God led me to find other ways to fill that void. Also, what got to me as well was that you never outgrow needing a spiritual father. The relationship and dynamics may change over time in that you are learning, growing then later entrusted to be sent out. It is just like a father son relationship, you get teachings and guidance from your father but eventually you move out (with your father’s blessing/support) and mature. However, sometimes you need advice or guidance about certain things from time to time. I hope this all makes sense, I had trouble following the Paul Timothy relationship as the gospel is relatively new to me.

  221. Lydia Kim says:

    Spiritual sonship is something I learnt and heard of from PC but it was only now I realised it came from Paul’s ministry and heart It now also makes me see Paul’s letters to the various churches in a different light, as he was communicating to them with the Father’s heart. In building that relationships with a spiritual father I can see how there is a greater inheritance from learning not just theology but “a way of life”. It would be my great joy and honour to one day resemble PC & PE and ultimately the Father in all that I say and do. As a part of the Melbourne CPT and as a son of the House having tuned into the NPC podcast for several years, I believe that I carry the heart of New Philly and will be able to be a representation of PC’s heart here in Melbourne even when he is far away. I am so blessed to be part of a long lineage of spiritual fathers with a strong inheritance of wisdom and anointing. I’m also very excited to be a part of developing the next generation of sons to come in Melbourne and beyond!

  222. Danielle Kang says:

    This video has helped me to understand on a deeper level how crucial spiritual sonship (and fatherhood) is to every Christian. If everything really does rise and fall on leadership, it makes me question how different things would be if spiritual sonship was properly established in churches, and how that in turn would impact generations to come.
    Over the past two years one of my biggest queries was how I in my previous church could ‘do’ things so that there would be an end to ‘powerless Christianity’ and I feel as though this documentary has hit the nail on the head for me. I came to the conclusion late last year that another program or ministry wasn’t the answer and I feel that God is confirming that what this generation of people are yearning for is exactly what is found in spiritual sonship/fatherhood. Through this relationship, people are able to receive life-giving teaching and discipline, learn how to receive and give love, and form a trusting and relational connection with their spiritual father. It allows the opportunity for God to correct and restore ways in which fatherhood or sonship may have been distorted in natural relationships and provide this ‘fatherless generation’ with the guidance, leadership and wisdom that it so needs.

  223. Being a spiritual son means you got the inheritance and full right of being a son. To be loved, protected, provided, covered and discipline by your father. Spiritual inheritance come from the relationship with your spiritual father. the deeper your relationship with your spiritual father, the more inheritance you get. T

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    Being a spiritual son means you got the inheritance and full right of being a son. To be loved, protected, provided, covered and discipline by your father. Spiritual inheritance come from the relationship with your spiritual father. the deeper your relationship with your spiritual father, the more inheritance you get. This video has brought me to think about Jacob. Why Isac cannot give him the inheritance of the first born? Because Jacob do not have a close relationship with his father. Without the relationship, the blessing of the inheritance cannot be released. So Jacob has to pretended to be his brother eventhough he has bought it from his brother with a bowl of red pottage and a loaf of bread fully paid. We know that at the end of the story that Jacob run away from home beacuse his brother want to kill him. This brought me to think why is he wanting this inheritance so badly? He bet his life to recive it. What’s so special about a spiritual inheritance? If we read through Genesis after jacob recive the spiritual inheritance everythings that he do is successful. His descent has been a great nation and now we know them as “jewish people”. Research said that 25% of top 50 billioner in the world are jewish. Do Jacob got his father’s material inheeritance?

    I belive this kind of concept also applied for church these days. The richness of the inheritance will help us to finish our purpose in life and knowing the images of father is important in Christians life to be connected with God.

  225. Ji Young Lim says:

    I have heard of the concept of ‘spiritual sonship’ in Christ; however, I have never thought about this spiritual sonship in church. I thought it was unbiblical to call a man a ‘spiritual father’ because our spiritual father is always God (I thought). Through this video, I realized that Apostle Paul actually called himself a spiritual father and that it is biblical to call someone a spiritual father.

    I have had a trouble thinking that the head pastor is my spiritual father. I’ve attended several churches in Korea (mainly five churches) but never thought of the pastor as my spiritual father. The main reason is that even if I initially think that way, when I come to the moment that I disagree with the pastor, I left the church. So now, I am curious about when is it justified to disobey the spiritual father and leave the church? For me, I have had issues with the pastors financially and got disappointed at the pastors’ financial greed or disintegrity. Often times, I also got disappointed that the pastors didn’t seem to care about my soul but rather they seemed to care about their ministry and church matters. I felt like I was being used. When I got disappointed at my previous head pastors, I couldn’t keep entrusting my soul to their teachings and supervisions. This happened to me several times.

    So now, I understand and fully agree that I need to have somebody whom I consider as my spiritual father. I truly want to find someone like that. But at the same time, I have a doubt that I could be a spiritual son. I have had a hard time obeying the head pastors of my previous churches especially when I did not trust their motivation. It is my prayer to find a church and a spiritual father when I move to Boston next month.

  226. I know that the documentary really speaks more on a spiritual father in a person’s walk with Christ, but I really do think that in a healthy father-son relationship—especially one where the father is a follower—that the father is invested spiritually in their sons. That isn’t to say that I don’t have others who are invested in guiding me in my walk and whom I honor, it’s just for the majority of my life, my father has been the one to guide me through many of my struggles. So, I’m not going to smart comment on that, but more on what I feel is briefly touched upon throughout the video.
    I think when it comes to this idea of being fatherless—it’s hard for me to relate simply because I was blessed enough to have a very loving father. Yes, we’ve had our struggles, but the thing is, our relationship is strong by any standards. My father comes from a broken family where my grandfather wasn’t there for him and you can connect so many of my father’s current struggles and brokenness to that broken relationship.
    That being said, as one who has a loving father here on this earth, I think one of the worst things for someone in my position to a person who hasn’t experienced a good and healthy fatherly figure is that a good father encompasses far more than just one that is there for you. If I said that to my father who is still struggling with a father who abandoned him, I feel as though I would be spitting at all the hard work and effort he’s made in my life to not just be present, but to be an active part of my life. I’ve heard countless times and even in this video how much of a difference it makes for a father to just be present in a child’s life, but the thing is that’s a half-truth. A father is not a good father simply by being present—a present father can be an abusive father. I think it would be weak for me to hope for a fatherless son/daughter to have just a present father.
    My father is far more than just that. We speak about one another’s hopes and dreams. Our spiritual walks are out in the open for one another. He speaks into my life and I into his at times—though I feel as though those are rarer moments than when he speaks into mine. I know there’s a man that will always be pushing for my good and that he would literally move mountains for me to have something better than what I could ever dream for.
    Back in high school, I had an iPod. Mind you it was when the iPod wasn’t even popular and people were just starting to get into Apple. But regardless, I loved that iPod because I paid for it with my own hard-earned money. One day, we had an event in the school gym and I had to leave my backpack in the gym lockers. Upon returning from the event, many of my friends and I had found our backpacks opened and thrown across the floor—someone had gone through them and stolen whatever was deemed valuable. My precious 15GB ipod (15 was a premium back in the day!!!)—which by that time was roughly 2 years old— had been taken from me. This was by far one of the saddest days of my life and my sense of security was taken from me that day. But the thing is, I still remember my father’s reaction to that incident. While I took the whole ordeal in bitterness and anger, my dad was ever so quiet—furious no less that someone would steal from his child. At the time I told my dad, I had the apple website up looking at the brand new generation of iPods and my father took notice. He spent 15 minutes or so talking with me about the kinds of iPods there were and what not and at the end of that talk gave me his card and said to buy the biggest and best one there was (80gb at the time) available. I still remember being shocked because that was $400 and my dad was adamant when I bought the first one that I buy it with my own money. So this generosity was unheard of to me. But it didn’t end there. Apple had just started laser engraving iPods so customers could personalize them. My dad told me to find something I liked and told me to engrave my new iPod with it. I still have that iPod with me to this day—and I still consider it one of my most precious items even if my phone can hold more music than it while being a gps, phone and mini-tablet.
    I think I do a disservice when I tell the fatherless or to future fathers that a present father is a good one. There’s far more to fatherhood than just attendance. There’s a heaviness in the responsibilities that come with it and I’m not going to sugar coat it and say that it’s an easy task—I for one was a terribly difficult son to deal with. But I really do believe that there’s far more blessings for those that do invest fully into it. There’s something amazing and uplifting and heart-warming when you see a father stepping up and going above and beyond by claiming his responsibilities.
    Back to the point though, if our earthly fathers are to be mere foils for our heavenly Father, then I’d like to point out that our Father isn’t one that just sits on a throne and watches you play. Rather He’s one that actively participates in your life—one that doesn’t have time to sit down because He wants to and has moved the entire cosmos just so you could be in His life.

  227. Grace Ko says:

    To be quite honest, when I initially heard the term “sonship” upon attending New Philly, I was a bit confused and maybe even a bit frustrated, mainly by two things: “Sonship? What does that mean for me as a daughter?” and “How are PC and PE my spiritual mother and father when I have yet to have an interaction with them?”
    I really appreciated the part of this video where PE clarifies the first question I had- that though I am a daughter, spiritually, I am a son, one who is not excluded but receives the Father’s inheritance. As a woman, I have often heard sermons on “submission” and the difference in God-given roles as man and woman. I have also been left feeling frustrated, angered and hurt by those in the church in the ways they speak of women. But if they were to have understood this concept of sonship, and how it applies to ALL, I think the church as a whole would have a healthier understanding of what it means to be a man of God/a woman of God.
    With regards to the second question I had prior to the video: The part when PC said that it’s about “valuing people relationally” first spoke to me and that’s when I realized that I’ve felt this “valuing people relationally” since Day 1 here at New Philly. Even before anyone knew me, even before I became a member, even before I “offered” anything to the ministry, I felt welcomed and loved. And that, I believe is the Father’s heart.
    It made me realize that when the spiritual father and mother of the house operate on such a level of loving and valuing people relationally before function or performance, the house/family operates on this level as well. So even before I ever had an interaction with PE and PC, I felt their love through the house/family!
    This has been such an encouragement to me because most of my life, I have seen myself in light of what I can offer, my performance, my abilities, what I bring to the table, what people thought of me. And with moving here to Korea, I have especially struggled with this because without a job, I have often felt like I could not offer anything, that I was not producing anything, that I wasn’t “performing”. But I believe through this season and especially through attending NP and learning about sonship, God is teaching me that He sees me first and foremost relationally.

    • Great insight Grace! I am so happy to hear how much of an encouragement these assignments have been for you! – P. Emily

  228. Rebecca Ye says:

    Being raised in the church, I learned about the concept of sonship, but it was never really emphasized as being really important in both the church and every day life. I was never taught how important having a father really was. Of course I knew it was important, as scripture says the father is the head, he disciplines, etc. But that just seemed more of a concept and not something that I really needed to delve deeper into. Watching this video really gave me a new perspective for the impact of a father-son relationship.

    The church I attend back home had some issues with leadership, so it was really divided. People didn’t agree on certain things, and eventually lead to almost a third of our church leaving. It eventually got to the point where we didn’t have a head pastor for many years. People would come and go but there wasn’t anyone to actually lead the church as a spiritual father. I guess none of us really realized the impact it had on our church to not have anyone lead it. My church became almost like an institution… like a corporation. There wasn’t intimacy.

    The video described many times the relationship between Paul and Timothy… how Paul trusted Timothy because Timothy didn’t just mimic teachings but he mimicked the lifestyle of Paul. It can’t just be a copying of the teachings, but there needs to be a relationship, something intimate and loving. Gifts and talents are important, but if we just focus on those and not the relationship, it loses the intimacy. That is what my church was like. It was so focused on trying to use people who have a clear gift, as opposed to actually building a personal relationship with them… so in our church we didn’t have that family/household environment.

    I am truly thankful though, that in my life I was raised with both parents and my youth pastor is someone I can see as a spiritual father. He was always there to guide me, support me, and speak truth in my life. He wasn’t afraid to rebuke me and even though I didn’t agree all the time with the things he said, I respected him and listened. My pastor was not only a spiritual father but also a son and because of that, he had someone to shepherd him. The quote that really stuck out to me was when Erin said “Having a father that’s not just above you and looking down at you, but beneath you and lifting you up”. A father sacrifices and leads, and I think that is so important. Even though I knew of this concept before, this video really showed me a greater importance of the relationship between and father and son and I was truly blessed from watching it.

  229. I watched “Journey of a Son” before I went to the first session, but I had to re-watch it because some of the themes made more sense to me in context. I’ve been going to church and I’ve been involved in church before, so “how is this different?”. I feel God is shaping me by taking me through my different church backgrounds to show me his heart.

    Sonship is scary. It is not a hard teaching conceptually, but living it out is hard. My parents are together, but I have an estranged relationship with my dad. Perhaps this shapes my need for self-reliance. I can be stubborn. It really struck me yesterday when PC said “sonship is easy until you disagree”, then he talked about his seminary decision, and ended with “am I willing to trust another man more than my own instincts?”. This froze me in my tracks. It strikes too close to home. People disappoint. People fail. So don’t fully rely on anyone. Only God.

    That’s what experience told me. But that is so different from sonship and being in it for the long run. For me it seems that sonship is a part of the Kingdom is here and now thinking. I can’t expect people to be perfect or a spiritual father to be without faults, but I can expect the Kingdom way of life to be manifested through the relationship of church family. That’s why I said sonship is scary, because it involves and requires a lot. It requires intimacy and trust all in the context of relationship.

    I pride myself on being someone who has his own thoughts. I don’t like mindlessly following. But I hope I am coming to a point of maturity where I know sonship is not here to make me stupid. Like any relationship, greater trust and understanding will take time. But stepping forward into a space where I don’t feel natural requires faith. But faith is not blind. I’ve seen and experienced the love of the Father through the way of life at NP. PC asked some people why they joined NRTC. I signed up before 5-6 people told me I should. I believe I am in Korea for a reason. I believe God wants to use me in a powerful way. I believe my conversations with people in and out of church have been anointed. I am broken yet blessed and I want to be a blessing to this family.

  230. This video was such a great reminder of the importance of sonship and going under submission to authority and strong leadership. Rarely have I experienced or have heard of a church back at home that strongly emphasizes the relationship and intimacy between a father and son. What resonates with me the most is the close intimacy between Paul and his son, Timothy. What a great image in the Bible that clearly shows Paul’s love for his son. It’s not just about impartation or sharing biblical scriptures as Pastor Robinson mentioned, but it’s showing love towards one another. I also really enjoyed Pastor Erin talking about how she is also considered a “son.” The concept that I am “son” is often strange, but I am so glad and blessed that she was able to address that. I love the fact that she mentioned that she is also a son and she has been given inheritance from her Father. I often forget that I am fully connected and loved by the ultimate inheritor and am giving full access to my Father’s inheritance. Through that, Pastor Erin also mentioned that she feels safe and secure in her calling and her relationship with her husband. Feeling secure, safe and loved by my Father, but also a Spiritual Father is so important and I am so blessed that this church allows for that safety and security and feeling of love and belonging.

  231. Young Ko says:

    Growing up, I had mentors, brothers who kept me accountable, sunday school teachers, and coaches, but no spiritual father to speak into my life. I’ve always wanted a spiritual father to guide, care, and discipline my walk in Christ. After listening to this documentary about “sonship,” I am encouraged that now I have a spiritual father aka “Godfather.” Also, it made me really think about “fatherhood” – how I want to be a good father for my child(ren) (future reference) raising them in faith and grace.

    It’s important to honor and hold pastors/spiritual father in high regards, however at times, I fail to realize that they are also broken and need of God’s grace – thus I need to remember to cover them in my prayers. In short, I think God gave us spiritual father to ultimately point towards Him.

  232. Watching this video made me realize that there is a big part missing in my life. Everybody would always tell me that we are brothers and sisters in christ and I would just always say yes we are!! But through this video I understood the deeper meaning behind being a family in christ. The Pastors are the fathers they want to help us when we fall but it can only be done through intimacy! Spiritual Fathership and sonship is a deeper connection. The Father stay in your life, work with the son and invest in the sons life. What touch my heart is the fact that spiritual father is more about just praying and passing on bible verses.It is about the importation, being active in the persons life! That kind of father will invest in you,to help you to be the beter you. I realized the importance of spiritual father but also how important spiritual sonship is. Now is the time to change, be the change, be a spiritual father and son by not just saying but by start showing.

  233. Emily Lauren Kim says:

    I couldn’t help shake the thought that abusive spiritual fathers, teachers, or members of the church could hinder sonship. I think most can sense when someone is using their spiritual authority or gifting without love. When I sense this, my heart in Christ cries, “Cover them”– and though I do, my eyebrows knit closely together when I consider that they may do this. and continue doing this, to still weaker, just-born sheep in God’s pen. I’ve yet to see how God responds to such people. I wish, as much as our pastors bless us and rebuke us, that they would also protect us greatly– cuz trust stems from knowing we’re protected and fought for.

  234. Wow! What a powerful video! I believe as the video stated, many of us in the church have gone through the idea of being spiritual orphans. I know during a majority of my own church walk it was definitely missing. I really loved in the video that we learned how important sonship was through the story of Paul. That Paul saw his church as a family. That like a father it was your job to help raise up a group of people that interpret and see the gospel in the way you do. I really loved the part in the video where he stated that Pastors take on the emotions of the people they teach, so in that way a Pastor also would need a person to be a father and look after them as well. I think it is important for all of us to have a Spiritual father to guide and look after us when we need them. I loved the quote in the video where he stated that it takes a father to raise a child, it is so true in all ways. We all need a father to shape us into the people that we are all meant to be both in life and in Christ.

  235. Chloe Lee says:

    Spiritual father and son ‘relationship’ is a brand new concept to me. I have mentor who I truly trust. He is guiding me to become more like Christ- like and strengthening my relationship with God when I am on my downfall.

    Having a spiritual father who can instruct me the way of life in Jesus was uncomfortable, since High School. Growing up in Korean background church, the youth Pastors didn’t really care about my struggles to live life in Christ. It was bit painful, especially, when Pastors ignored conversation about my walk with Jesus and receiving the gift of Holy Spirit. Afterwards, I had shut my door towards Pastor. I did respect them because Pastors were anointed by God’s grace, but their theology, articulate speeches, and bible studies didn’t show me the way of life in Christ. I was an spiritual orphan, trying to seek my own ways find Jesus without a father guiding me.

    After watching this video and listening to PC’s sermon, negative thoughts of having spiritual father is slowly diminishing. It really struck me hard when Pastor Benjamin mentions about Paul’s impartation of way of life to Timothy. Many Pastors do teach the theology but many do not give the way of life in Christ and interpret the bible to live by faith. I was always curious what Jesus was like, but now I want to see Him through my spiritual father. Moreover, just as Jesus said in scripture, “If you have seen me, you have seen God, the father”, I also want to see God, the father, through my spiritual father as well.

    If the churches begin to really establish that strong foundation of spiritual father and son ‘relationship’, loving and trusting bondage will be formed amongst the worldwide churches. In my opinion, the beauty of sonship is building the churches as one in Body of Christ. Again, John 17:21, when Jesus said “that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you” really captures the essence of sonship.

    I hope Holy Spirit really brings me the full revelation of spiritual sonship as I take leadership. I want to become like Jesus everyday till He returns back as King Yeshua.

  236. It’s amazing how the church as a whole is starting to awaken to the importance of sonship and I am excited to see how this is changing believers and their relationship with God, but also families and society as a whole. What truly blessed me about this video, was hearing how Paul and Timothy lived out this spiritual father and son relationship and how it was a public relationship that was open for all to observe and mimic. Timothy was also encouraged to reproduce this relationship with others. What really blew my mind is that even as one becomes a spiritual father, it is important that he remains a spiritual son just as Jesus is our everlasting Father but also the son of God.

  237. Victoria Pai says:

    The statistics were alarming to see. My spiritual background did have an emphasis on fatherhood, but not as much on sonship (auto correct doesn’t even consider sonship a word). It wasn’t until the past few years that I started to learn more about sonship.
    There were some new concepts in this documentary to me, such as how fatherhood became less emphasized because of the Protestant movement by Martin Luther. Also, learning that it is the “way of life” being passed from fathers (and mothers) to spiritual sons that is the goal of fatherhood is an interesting concept for me, as I have never heard it in those terms before. Previously, I had thought fathers pass on their spiritual knowledge, love, worldview, values, mannerisms, even lingo, but I never thought of it as a “way of life.”
    I really liked hearing that sons are not mimickers of fathers. Sons can have a different “style” or personality, but it is the impartation of a way of life from fathers that is the key to the father-son relationship.
    Finally, I also think it is important to be a son and a father at once, rather than “graduating” from one into the other. I think this distinction made clear to me something that was unclear before. I liked the line said about how if one knows how to be a son, then one can be a father.

  238. Lindsey A. Harrison says:

    I don’t know how to put into words the effect this whole concept of sonship has had on me beyond this: I am in desperate need of a spiritual father. I haven’t had the greatest models of fatherhood in my life. I have been fed this lie of Corporate Christianity where we have to be enough on our own, and functionality over family. I had this, sonship. I had a spiritual mother who poured into me in all the ways this video described, but I allowed geographic distance and circumstances to cut me off from my spiritual leader. I made myself a spiritual orphan. I would have saved myself a lot of heart ache and hardship if I had had a firm understanding of this concept of sonship.

    Needless to say, this concept of sonship has rocked my whole world. I’m starting see where I have bought into lies, areas in my life where I need to repent and ask for forgiveness, and areas where I need to God to heal me. I want to rediscover who God truly is, so I can rediscover my true identity as his son.

  239. John-Mark C. Raddatz says:

    I watched the video twice and called my godly parents to process some thoughts. My father has always been in my life and a godly example. I told him about the video and how it referred to the sonship of Timothy, the sonship of the disciples and how Jesus is called the Everlasting Father. Then I asked my dad, “but how do I know that a charismatic church like New Philly isn’t using the ‘sonship’ thing as an excuse to try to control me?” He told me that all fathers need to discipline their children, not to punish them, but to train them in righteousness and that I would know whether or not New Philly was trying to control me by asking whether or not they wanted the best for me. So I started to ask myself about the messages I’ve been listening to from NP.

    Many of the NP messages have drawn me to the belief that NP wants me to grow in wisdom and favor with both God and man. I anticipate that I will come to a new understanding of what sonship is at NP.

  240. Ellen Lee says:

    I think growing up I didn’t realize how important my father was in my life. I just found both my parents as huge influences so I never really thought much about how different it could have been if my father wasn’t present. Through this video and even PC’s spirit of sonship session I’ve come to realize how important a father’s role in a family is and how God, our father, has given us that inheritance as his sons. I also did some reflection between my relationship with my own father. Since I already have a wonderful, man of God as a father on this Earth it is hard for me to imagine that God the “holy” God could be considered a father to me. Maybe growing up in the church and the church emphasizing the holiness of God rather than his father-son relationship I found it rather difficult to see God as my father. I claim it, I say it, but in my heart I know that God is God and for me to ask him for things as a son is harder than asking him for something when he is God. I don’t know if this will make sense. Rather than people who grew up without fathers and having a distorted view of fatherhood, I have also found that people who might have loving fathers on this Earth might not seek God as a father since their heart knows who their earthly fathers are or maybe that’s just me! During this session and video it has made one thing very clear to me, I genuinely want to believe that God is my true father and that I can call him knowing that he sees me as his son (daughter.) I don’t want just a God-Ellen relationship, I want the most intimate relationship where I call my father- Abba father and mean every word of it.

  241. Chelsea says:

    This video clearly articulated why I felt a lack of community and intimacy in the church growing up. This concept is extremely new to me, only having heard it for the first time at New Philly. At first, it was really hard for me to allow for spiritual fathers to love on me and speak truth into my life because a level of trust and intimacy is needed. I had gotten wrapped up in some seriously bad theology during college and I thought I could be my own shepherd. But it was because of my spiritual fathers speaking into my life that has brought the most breakthrough. They broke off lies that the enemy had held me captive that I couldn’t even identify on my own. There is such freedom in Christ in the model of sonship. I’m not sure I fully grasp the idea, but I know that God will continue cultivating my inheritance in sonship at NP.

  242. When I think of a father and son relationship, I am immediately brought back by memories with my own father. I can just simply picture how mum sis went shopping and I hated it, but dad knew exactly what interested me. We would take on the hi-fi sound system and music stores; spend hours testing out new speakers, and playing with various musical instruments. I can honestly say I thoroughly enjoyed dad’s company. It was such a simple idea, but yet I would feel loved that dad actually cared about me. Just like the video, it demonstrates how much love; life; breath; encouragement; support (the list can go on!) a father can bring to his son.

    We are fired with some facts and figures from the video, and how a father’s absence can really impact the lives of their children so drastically. I mean no one wants to see their son in jail, do they? The term one of the speaker’s mention is ‘spiritual orphans’. My reaction was like: ‘Dangggg, I never saw it in that way – Isn’t raising leaders is where it’s at? And I’m pretty sure there are accountable people along the line, and some guidance of some sort.. You feel me?!’ But, no! We need some spiritual fathers in the house that will learn to cultivate a culture of growth and maturity to their sons. To not only raise up leaders in the house, but to also build unity amongst each other. To help them have a connection with the body of Christ, and to give them the realisation that they are part of the family regardless of their circumstances.

    This is what hit home hard. I was incredibly blown away by the whole idea of the ‘Pauline Paradigm’ illustrated in the video. The speakers talk about how fatherhood and son-ship was literally what Paul portrayed, and how it was evident throughout his ministry and his entire life. Two questions they brought up which just hit me was: ‘If it was that important to the apostle Paul, why does it seem so absent from the church today?’ And Pastor Benjamin Robinson then goes on to quote from Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 4: ‘Even though you have ten thousand instructors in Christ, you don’t have that many fathers. But through the gospel I became your father.’ DEEP.

    Having thought about my own church, and questioning myself – one thought that sprung to mind was the issue with identity. We are called as a church to build long lasting and consistent, emphasise again – consistent relationships. This whole idea of belonging. To have assurance of someone to guide you, just like a father in reality can provide and care for his son. That the son will produce fruits that will take up the inheritance given to him. And as importantly to grow in his intimacy with Christ.
    We need spiritual fathers that can say ‘no one cares as much as I do.’

  243. Marius van Broekhuizen says:

    This documentary showed me again how important it is to not just have mentors, coaches and teachers but to have fathers. We don’t just need teaching and information, but we need to see a way of life that we can imitate. The kind of relationship that we all need in the church is that of being a son under a loving father who can shepherd us into maturity.

    I grew up being only aware of my personal relationship with Jesus. Having a personal relationship doesn’t mean having a private one though. We are in a body of people and we need to learn how to interact with others by following an example. What I like about this teaching is that it promotes safety, accountability, guidance, and authority in the church.
    We need spiritual fathers who can help us break out of sinful patterns, to help us break out of isolation and to show who we can become.
    I don’t want to become a better performer in my Christian walk- I want to be a fully mature son!

  244. Luke Smith says:

    When I was a child, my family attended a church in Mililani, Hawaii (on Oahu) where the lead pastor (Pastor T) was an older Czechoslovakian man who really fathered my father. I know he fathered my father because my father, during these years, really started to father me and my siblings. God provided this pastor at such a crucial time in my life as well as my dad’s life because it was during these 4 years in Hawaii, at this church, that my dad was passed over for command of his submarine. This means he wanted to become captain (actually he wanted to eventually become an admiral) of the submarine he was currently XO (second in command) on but because of whatever reason, his authorities did not choose to give him the command position. He probably could have still been promoted later but he would never be able to be captain of his own ship. This could have been devastating to my dad because it was what he had worked so hard for and had dreamed of doing ever since the 8th grade. But instead of becoming angry, or bitter or even distant, my dad became a father.
    I remember these years so well because it’s when my dad starting coaching my soccer teams, he started to teach us how to budget our paper route allowance and he started to teach us about God. I can attest that because my dad learned how to be a “son” to Pastor T, and because Pastor T fathered my dad, I have a dad who became involved, loving, supportive and encouraging.
    Thanks to this community’s emphasis on sonship, I am learning how to become a son as well. I really liked when PC said that when he started to teach on sonship, it gave NP a practical way to become like a family. I am really excited to learn how to be a good son in this family.

  245. I grew up a continent and ocean away from my dad, so of course I’ve had this long-term ache for a father. My mom even worried that my fatherlessness would affect my character/social development. I’m sure it did to an extent, but there’s nothing like the transformative power of God’s love. HALLELUJAH to that!

    My good ole youth pastor back home is like the closest figure I have had to a spiritual father – another HALLELUJAH to THAT. But I’m still sorta insecure about approaching him like: “Could you be my spiritual father?” I guess I still question my worthiness to have any kind of father besides God the Father. On another note, I really want the concept of sonship to become part of the core values at my home church.

    Towards the end of the video, I was like “Wait, so can a woman be a spiritual father too? Where’s all the women at? What about spiritual mothers?” Pastor Erin clearly answered most of that hehe (I still hope to see lady pastors becoming mainstream).

    There is so much I’ve missed out on growing up without a father, but I know there are unique blessings that only a spiritual father can bring. And I fully hope that this generation can be called the Fathered Generation (or some other fancier name).

  246. The fatherless generation rediscovers the fatherhood. The sentence above simply sums up what I learnt from the documentary. Although I have been in the church in my entire life, I had pretty many ups and downs. Most of them were due to my spirit which was like an orphan. In the bible, Paul nurtured Timothy as his spiritual son. His sonship was not a copy of what Paul said and acted. The most important thing of Timothy as a spiritual son of Paul was that he taught people by the idea Paul had, which means that Timothy was the heir of Paul. In this house, I want to have the sonship by respecting the authority. Also, the church leadership especially pastor Christian has declared that he began to focus people based on the relational aspect out of the functional perspective since he got connected with pastor Benjamin Robinson. It is the time to swing my life from a wanderer to settler.

  247. Claire Ramsey says:

    I love learning more and more about the importance of spiritual fathers and mothers in our lives. Every time I hear a word about it, it’s like a “duh” moment! It seems so obvious, yet we have been so lacking in spiritual fathers in the church. Growing up in a conservative church, this concept never even occurred to me. Sure we talked about being brothers and sisters in Christ, and being part of one big family. But that seems to be where the idea of family stopped. As a result, I unknowingly spent 20+ years frustrated because I did not understand who I was in Christ. I had no spiritual mentor to help nurture me.

    It wasn’t until I was living in Taiwan 2 years ago that I met two wonderful sisters in Christ who really pulled the religious veil off my eyes. It was through my ***relationship*** with each of them that I was able to discover my identify in Christ. I experienced breakthrough like never before because of the love and time that they poured into me. I learned a whole new way of life in Christ, one I had longed for but did not really know about or understand how to obtain: A relational way of life with Christ and other believers.

    That’s what I love most about this message, the emphasis on relationship. When you show someone that you value you them relationaly, so much can be sowed and reaped from that! The way Pastor Christian talked about how he used to motivate people to serve in the church and how he does now is the kind of shift we need to see everywhere. We need spiritual fathers who will love, support, and have compassion for us even as they see us completely, flaws and all. They can look past that and see the potential that God sees in us!

    Thank you for this message! I am so excited to be a part of a real family of Christ where people are able to walk out in breakthroughs and anointing because of their relationships as sons and fathers of God.

  248. Sally Kim says:

    When I first heard “sonship”, I didn’t think of it as something new or different, but rather a vague and acceptable concept. Since I was in church every since I could remember, I’ve always heard that I am a child of God and I thought that this “sonship” concept was not something that different. I rather heard of this concept as something much more vague, thinking ‘Why make such an emphasis on sonship when we all know that we are children of God?’
    But I actually came into more thought after watching the video rather than being cleared from thoughts. The reason why there was much difference in this concept of sonship is that there is a spiritual father in a church that would be a son of another (usually elder) spiritual father. And the ultimate, spiritual father would be God, and his son would be Jesus, who would also be a spiritual father (at least from what I understood). I found this rather complicated after watching the video.
    I found that the following two aspects of the concept “sonship” influential. First of all, there would not be clashes as in a “church split.” After a son of a spiritual father of the church has grown in faith, the son wouldn’t be leaving the church to do his own church plant but the father would be sending the son. It seemed like a lot of Korean churches had conflicts in “church plants” but this biblical concept of “sonship” would reassure a steadfast relationship between the father pastor and the son pastor. Second, because there is a spiritual father in a church, the church is made to be family. The father cares for each and every member, not just only the important staff and leaders. This makes the church more like a family and thus more like a body of Christ.
    One question that came to mind was that although I fully understand that girls/daughters still get the inheritance from God and thus we are still sons, should daughtership and mothership be differentiated from sonship and fathership? Wouldn’t it be putting a stereotype just by using the word fathership as a meaning of authority, security, protection, and such? Isn’t it a stereotype to put mothership as a concept of nourishment and care…? I know this is a petty matter but it’s just one question that came into mind…

    • Hey Sally! Love hearing all your thoughts! Sonship is a big concept to grasp and ultimately experience so I am happy to hear that after watching the video, you’ve been thinking a lot more and have questions! Although women and men have an equal inheritance, God has indeed made male and female very different. If you every find yourself in any confusion, come find myself or one of our pastors during the upcoming classes and we can talk through some of your thoughts after watching the video! – P. Emily

  249. Josiah Evans says:

    I’m actually really glad that Pastor Benjamin Robinson noted the distinction to what Jesus said in Matthew 23:9 and what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 4:15. In Matthew 23, Jesus was warning against hypocrisy and a love of titles, for the Rabbis loved to be called “Rabbi”. Paul does not demand that people call him a father, but rather he is only recognizing the reality that he had become a father to the church in Corinth.

    This distinction is what gives me a lot of comfort in continuing to attend New Philly and gives this concept of sonship support from my perspective. Although I cannot deny all the good I have seen at New Philly, I am always testing the teachings against scripture, not because I have anything against New Philly, but because I must always guard my heart.

    That being said, I see a great need for a spiritual “father” in my life and a proper understanding of what it means to be a son. Sonship is almost a foreign concept to me because in our context it seems to mean so little, especially in a legal perspective. While I understand that in biblical times sonship meant a great deal, but given that my autocorrect is highlighting the word as misspelled I think says a lot about how many of us (myself included) understand the meaning of the word.

    Understanding that a spiritual father is someone who can temper your ambitions, and make them more targeted and more effective, and restrain you when you would have run to foolishness is very touching to me. A personal example comes from my own father, who grew up in a broken home, and it shows. I don’t judge my father for it, but I see how the lack of a father in his formative years really left its scars on him. He is a church planter in Chicago now and I think that if I can bring back this concept of sonship early into the development of his churches I think that both he and the church will benefit greatly from it.

    • I’m not sure if I am allowed to leave a comment since I am a NRTC trainee, but I wanted to show appreciation for what you shared Josiah. I felt a little confused while watching the video on the journey of a son due to my lack of Biblical reference, and I read the passages that you wrote in your comment. Thank you for helping me to test teaching with Scripture, to guard my heart as well. While Pastor Benjaminn Robinson highlighted 1 Cor 4:15, you looked into it as well. Reading 1 Corinthians 4 and Matthew 23 as a whole helped to ground me on my questions, doubts, and fears about the potential for abuse of titles including that of father. I looked at the video again after reading the passage and it made what Pastor Robinson had to say about sonship more clear.

  250. After my parents split, I lived with my mom. She wasn’t ready to take care of me on my own, and as a result, I started getting really rebellious and very moody. I was getting to the point of being uncontrollable. When my dad took over, and brought me back to his place to live, he laid down the law and gave me direction. My dad was a father to me, and his love and patience helped mold me into a better person.

    I give that story to show the impact of having a father and what it can do to a person. Having a spiritual father is just as similar as the example above. A spiritual father helps to direct and to train, and also show examples of love and discipline, and moreover of all, forgiveness.

    We are told many times that being a follower of Christ is not religious, it’s relational. This theory of sonship exemplifies that idea, that we have a relationship with Christ rather than just follow blindly. Similarly, with our spiritual fathers, the leaders of our congregations, we have to have that relationship. And that’s one reason why I’ve stuck with things at New Philly. It’s because of that idea of relationship, an idea that is very much lacking in many of the mainline places back in our home countries (America, for me.)

    I guess that this video has added a level of excitement in being a spiritual son, being able to learn and be given instruction, and yet still be able to respond with love and respect. It makes me look forward to continue to being a son, no matter where it is that I go.

  251. Choy Jun Ai says:

    I had a bad relationship with my father for the past ten years until I met God. My father is kind of strict man and he rarely talks to us. Therefore, the word of ‘father’ started to be a negative thought in my life and I wish I were born in another family. I don’t talk a lot about my father because I have no idea of what I am going to talk about him. So much of hatred emotions when it comes to father.

    However, when i came into a relationship with God, I found that God is a lovely and patient Father. I enjoy being His daughter and everything is just so safe and full of joy. And after that I started to see some lovely characteristics in my father too. Thank God!!! Then I also realized that how important and precious is the sonship of God.

    Anyway,I was so encouraged in the way PE mentioned that we are a daughter but also a spiritual son in the relationship with God. A father is always needed to guide his kids through his own way as he knows them so well!!!

  252. Stella Lee says:

    When I first heard about sonship in NPC, it was intriguing. However, when the word “intimacy”, “relationship”, and “trust” came, the intrigue shriveled away, and I mentally recoiled. The first thing that instantly came into my mind was simply:


    And now I’m here, watching this documentary, committing on a higher level in NPC with NRTC. Our Father who art in Heaven has quite a sense of humor.

    Watching this documentary and learning the more elaborated heart and idea behind “sonship” made me look back on my history with spiritual leaders and the church. My past relationship with pastors and bible study leaders wasn’t very exciting. In fact, it was nonexistent. The first youth pastor I technically had took my two older brothers under my wing in the youth ministry and invested much of his into them. Our ministry in general was extremely small so I just happened to be the only one out of my age group and was in the awkward in between of “elementary ministry” and “youth”. So naturally, being introverted as well, I was left alone. In all honesty, I was pretty content in that; didn’t feel self pity and felt indifferent. Perhaps deep in my heart, I felt a bit neglected and lonely but the greater part of me denied it stubbornly and justified that I didn’t need that spiritual covering or relationship with a human form of spiritual authority.That apathy manifested into this loner mentality, as I embraced the solitude. I thought I would thrive better without whatever attachment these pastors and leaders provided and that whatever “sonship” was, it just wasn’t for me. Some people were just weren’t chosen for that type of lifestyle. It backfired, and I intentionally pushed away or distrusted any spiritual authority that came my way, distancing myself from Bible study leaders subtly and playing nonchalance even when moving to a bigger, more socially diverse church.

    I have a physical father who, although has to maintain our relationship through long distance calls and emails, loves me very much. I was aware that I have a Godly father. Why should I rely on this “spiritual father”. Why should I risk my heart, my lifestyle, and my own sense of identity to have some father figure I wasn’t even certain I could trust?
    Because now I realized that my perception of God as a father was twisted. I saw Him as a disciplined, ever frowning authoritarian deity that simply saw me as one out of the billions of other humans and not as “Stella”. My biological father is not a believer, and although he is a good father, I couldn’t get biblical wisdom from him. My pessimistic perception of spiritual fathers had caused pessimism in my perception of God the Father.
    Being in NPC right now and looking back on my time here, growing, and finally fully embracing leaders as my spiritual authority, I have become aware I have to go by faith that God put these people in my life for a reason and I should trust His judgement and thus trust these leaders, rather than relying purely on my own sight.

    Watching this documentary made me look back and realize how unnecessarily hard I made my walk with Christ because I rejected “sonship” and tried to embrace some kind of “I can walk my own walk” lone wolf attitude, how absolutely, lovingly patient God has been to me, and how He’s blessed me with an opportunity to be part of a family like this and do something both good and great. At times it’s a little overwhelming to think of having this third fatherly figure, but more than anything other sentimental attitude its an overwhelming sense of thankfulness.

  253. Dani Ashcraft says:

    This documentary really blessed me in a practical sense because I’ve always really admired and enjoyed the openness of New Philadelphia Church’s beliefs and the way the church applies them. After attending New Philly for only a few months, I can really see the intimacy of the house and have personally benefitted from close ties with those in authority over me. I believe this relationship is really a blessing in itself as it helps me to really receive what others speak over me. I can see the need in my own community back home for churches to establish the spirit of sonship. In my own experience, especially in large congregations, I felt very much like a number among the masses. It’s not that I don’t believe I can’t still receive from my pastor, but I don’t have a relationship that really allows them to really pour into me and guide me. I really liked what Pastor Christian said about valuing people relationally first then functionally later. As a member of the church, seeing this principle play out over time has really convinced me of the honesty of the church. Finally, I really liked the idea of sonship in relation to PC’s most recent sermon. I like the idea that the term sonship is so powerful because regardless of a person’s gender, it means that we have received the inheritance of God.

  254. Paul JS Park says:

    A fatherless generation. It’s strange how when we realise what kind of negative impact children being fatherless has in society, we often neglect that very same thing in our spiritual lives. The documentary mentioned that there’s no point in life when a son no longer needs a father. Even grown ups will come to miss their parents when they pass away. Likewise, saying that I no longer need a spiritual father in some point of my life will not be only misguided but also prideful. The documentary reminds me of pastor Benjamin Robinson’s sermon on identity. There, he said young orphans feel the crucial need of a father. As those orphans mature, however, since they are so used to not having a father, they come to believe that they can manage on their own. That’s a lie. I need a spiritual father who can love me and teach me they way I should live my life. I gotta humble myself and embrace the truth that I need a spiritual father.

  255. Yeo Kyung Yang says:

    Now to think of it, ever since I was in youth group, I was longing for a deeper, intimate and personal relationship with my leaders. And when I did seek for it, they always rejected me. So I know what it feels like to be a Orphan spirit. And when I learnt one of the core values being ” father the fatherless”, I was very thankful.

    “There came a time in my life when I went from watching my dad take care of business, to my dad sending me out to take care business for him. ”

    As I am new to NP and as a emmaus student, I don’t have a personal relationship with PC or PE. But since I have Tina my CD covering me, who is being covered by PC and PE , I have full access to them and I am also covered by them. I lack absolutely nothing and I am part of the family.

  256. Keith Yang says:

    When I first heard about sonship and spiritual father, I could only think of reasons of why this would be a bad idea for me, how wrong it would be. The idea of someone having that much authority over me was scary and against my instincts. My pride wouldn’t let me go through with it. But this very mindset was drifting me away from God’s kingdom.
    Where was the humility and the willingness to trust in God? Thinking with my fears would do me no good. An invitation of spiritual sonship is an invitation of humility, and trust by showing submission. But it goes deeper than that. It is not just some anybody that I am being called to submit to. I will be submitting myself to a person who looks at me as a son. Whose only interest in me is to express the love of God the Father in its many ways, whether it be prayers, discipline, teaching, and so on. This is not something to be afraid of, but excited.

  257. Kate Jihae Park says:

    This documentary reminded me of our first NRTC session of learning about the “Spirit of Sonship.” I remember at the beginning of the session talking about the importance of a father figure in our lives. So many problems in society (suicide, mental disorders, drugs, etc.) are from people who were raised in a family where the father was absent. Many people may argue that there are many reasons why these problems seem to get worse as time goes by, but it all comes down to the absence of a father in people’s lives. It’s also become a really bad cycle of young men being raised without a father, becoming fathers of their own children, but not really carrying the attributes of a healthy and sound father. I’m glad that churches are coming to realize the importance of this and stepping up and taking their place to be spiritual fathers for the fatherless.
    I was moved when P.Christian talked about the beginning of NP, how it was all function, and the “family” or “brothers and sisters in Christ” was more of concept. But after the spiritual sonship with P.Benjamin came into place, that’s when everything became relational and the church became a real family, which is what the church is really meant to be; a family, Ekklesia.
    I was also really touched by P.Erin’s part of the interview, and I can relate more to that idea of being a daughter, but in the spirit we are sons. And because we are sons, we get the inheritance, have full access to the word of God and it’s powers. Also, the part where she mentions about the idea of a father not above looking down, but rather beneath you lifting you up, being right there to catch us if we fall … That really gave me comfort. Even though it’s a concept that has been mentioned and I was aware of, I rarely think of a father in that way. It was a great and important reminder, and it was freeing to remind myself of that truth.

  258. I’ve been thinking how since the fall of the first man, sin has corrupted our image of God as Father. For many people word “father” evokes a faded and distorted picture of abuse or abandonment. Millions today walk the streets under the weight of baggage they shouldn’t be carrying and bearing deep childhood scars.

    What’s crazy is that praying “Our Father” is not the same for everyone. But this is exactly how Jesus teaches us to pray. He came to restore our relationship with God, and incidentally He also came to turn the hearts of fathers to their children and the hearts of children to their fathers. Do you see the connection?

  259. I found myself nodding again and again all throughout this video! Yes, we are a generation who is in bad need of fathers, like all the generations before us. When I worked at a restoration home for survivors of trafficking, I kept seeing how so much pain and suffering started because of broken homes, because the father was absent, either physically or emotionally. This was true for the women who were trafficked as well as the traffickers – two opposites that often share the same root. You don’t even have to look at extreme cases, and this message points it out so clearly: we all need a father, physical and spiritual! It’s encouraging to see that New Philly not only acknowledges the need for “sonship” but also lives it out, and I pray that more and more churches do that!

  260. Short summary: The concept of sonship is good. Can it be practiced in reality?

    When I heard of spiritual sonship when attending New Philly four years ago, I wondered if the term was appropriate. I had a loving physical father who I knew I could trust and rely on. I thought there might be friends or mentors in the church who could help me walk in faith, but it offended me to think that someone should have authority and power over me like a father because I felt no one is worthy or ready to be a spiritual father.

    My natural father loves me, and in some ways he cannot help but love me because of the way that God designed him. But we as humans are fallen, especially in the church. It seems obvious to me that no one even in New Philly or elsewhere loves anyone as much as their own natural father or Jesus. The word “father” is a heavy honor and responsibility. Who could be ready for it? My natural father already provides the intimacy of a father, why do I need a spiritual father to fill this as well? I would like this, and cherish it, but how can I expect it? How can a human being be ready to be a spiritual father? I thought only Jesus could be ready for such a role.

    I am guessing that the intimacy of a spiritual father and son is something akin to a deep friendship between mentor and mentee. Even this seems difficult to be achieved.

    In the video, many pastors and leaders mentioned that spiritual fathers involves more than discipleship or training, but real intimacy, something which requires investment, “time well-spent.” Pastor Benjamin Robinson said that fathership of the next generation involves more than focusing on how well you function but focusing on the relational side of the kingdom. I am convinced of the need and real possibility of how good discipleship or training can be, but I am not sure how the intimacy aspect can be realized.

    Previously in other churches I used to attend, I did not receive the investment or minimum time commitment that I hoped for or expected from a mentor. It never felt enough. I felt I was letting my guard down and exposing myself to the pain of abandonment and neglect if I expected any such “intimacy.” I have conditioned myself to be ready for teaching and discipleship because I do not want to be disappointed by expecting intimacy with another human. If i were to do again, I wish I could know the reasons for why this is Biblically and practically possible for myself.

    The type of intimacy referred to in the video is meant to be long-term, for life, it seems. It seems a heavy commitment, and I wonder if it is actually possible for all who seek it. I would seek such a relationship, but I do not want to pursue a unicorn, a false hope.

    For practical application, I am willing to be a son, but how do I be a son to someone whom I do not yet fully trust? Do you pray and find someone you already respect and trust and wish to emulate or do you accept your current CG leader as your immediate spiritual father?

    In my CG we discussed similar questions over the past few weeks. My curiosity and desire for more answers to lingering questions led me to sign up for NRTC as well. In short, CG leaders and members seemed to agree that I would not find my answers to all my questions, and would have to eventually “walk in faith”. I believe I am doing this, and maybe I can do more. But if someone asks me these questions, I wish I could provide an answer for them and myself.

    Pastor Erin said that she knows because she has a spiritual father she is safe and supported if she were ever to fall, which gives her the confidence to pursue her calling and not fall back. Who wouldn’t want such a relationship? I certainly do, and am willing to go for this.

    A cool thing about this comment thread is how I can read the comments of fellow NRTC trainees current and past. I think I’ve learned new things from not just the video but from what they have shared.

    I’m blessed and happy to be a part of this process. Thank you to all the hardworking staff of New Philly and especially NRTC team for making this happen.

  261. Ruth Lee says:

    I wasn’t aware of the spiritual father-son relationship until New Philly and this documentary has further explained this concept. I don’t think many churches have this model, even though it’s demonstrated in the Bible with Paul and Timothy. Knowing this, I wonder how many of the churches that I attended had such a paradigm beyond just discipleship. Even after becoming a father, spiritual fathers still need that sonship relationship to hold them accountable for their actions. Pastor Erin mentions that having a spiritual father isn’t just about someone who is above you, but someone beneath who can you push you back up when you fall down. It’s so essential to have someone lead you, but also encourage you when you may fail. She also mentions that even females are consider “sons,” because sons receive the inheritance. The fact that New Philly and other churches can recognize that women should be included in this inheritance is encouraging.

  262. Ashley Choi says:

    After watching the video and reading some of the previous comments… I realized how scary this concept was. A spiritual father? That meant being vulnerable at every level and having complete trust in someone else…like.. how?

    After self reflecting I wondered if I could take this to heart and really do it myself. “Could I really do it?” It struck me that this was so prominent within New Philly and while it made sense, the one word that kept popping in my head was how. Pastor Christian mentioned his story about going to seminary, and his spiritual father leading him/telling him to continue but how couldnt he have gone with his gut? For me personally, I think trusting someone with decisions for my life , is more than difficult. But… I also realized how much growth could happen as well. “Sonship” I realized was centered on love, emotional and spiritual health, but it also meant obeying the authority even when you may not always want to. But this also came to mind when thinking about this: My dad would never do anything to hurt us , but instead advise for a better and fruitful life.. My dad always says “I want your life to be infinitely better than what I’ve lived” and so..isnt that what a spiritual father would want as well? Why wouldnt I want that? But reality is… can I really?

  263. SpringPark says:

    This video clip reminded my entire life I grew up without a father. I mean I have a fater but he is always in his business. I remember the time of my childhood he played with me, but since the teens, I could feel this loss my entire life. Unless his absence, God opened my heart completely to Jesus and God’s fathership in my life. I let go of the pain and let God heal my wounds, I started to trust again. He poured His great love and grace into me and let me experiece His presence through elderly people in church. Also, He gave me an good example; relationship of Paul and Timothy, God and Jesus. I could recognize relational aspect, not a functional one between father and son throuth the example.
    I think this video is a fantastic idea and It was pretty dramatic plot, either.
    Watching this video really spoke to my heart about the essential of spiritual leaders. I honor God my father and now honoring my physical father, too. I also like the message that “we can see Christ through sons inthe household.” I hope that more and more Christians will come to understand this type of leadership. I hope that through this leadership process I can learn how to be a daughter to a spiritual father, mother and that one day I can help others. Also, I desire to be more mature son and be like Jesus, son of God.

  264. Macey Martinez says:


    For the last couple years, I’ve lived in a straining and emotional and corrupt home life. My dad wasn’t stable, and the stress of having a failing business and a secret life outside of us made him a different man. Looking back on my life, I see the scars and damage of having my dad not only leave me but also inflict lies. Behaviors and reactions I tend to go to when I’m in a tough situation have grown from the root of not having a father in my life to illustrate what God looked like.
    And in comparison to my best friend who grew up with an amazing dad who took me in like his own daughter as well, I see the need for a spiritual father. I remember I would get so jealous at the idea when I was younger that her dad would take her on daddy daughter dates when my father did not. God desires a relationship with him people. So when a child has a relationship with that father, it’s easier to see the reality of having that kind of relationship with God the father.

    Then going from church to church in the states, I could never really find a spiritual father that help me grow closer to God. There were a lot of pastors but never really any spiritual fathers to take me under their wing.

    Growing up in the generation of orphans, the church needs to realize the demand for spiritual parents. If the church wants to reach this generation, the lost generation, they need to prepare way for when they come running back. They need to see the need and prepare for it. We, the church, should be pacing and praying for this lost generation. And when they come running home, we should open our arms up and welcome them into sonship.

    This video gave me a lot of home that NP has a passion and an understanding of sonship. It shows that they have thee willingness to take the flock and Shepard them. Not only that, but being a spiritual son means that for me I can grow and become a better me in an environment that will proved the water and sun for me to keep growing into my potential and into my calling. because ultimately,a good spiritual father leads you closer to God and has a desire for you to grow closer to your Heavenly Father. :)

  265. I really like what PC shares in this video, about how as a spiritual family, members of the church learn to value one another for who they are and build relationships prior to serving and blessing the house with their gifts and talents. In that sense, deep rooted spiritual sonship can prevent burnout, jealousy, and envy among church leaders and members by encouraging them to relate to one other as members of a family rather than a business.
    For myself, embracing spiritual sonship happened before understanding everything about it. It took steps of faith and more than one sermon to push me outside of my scriptural comfort zone. My heart was hardened toward this concept in the beginning because it sounded so alien and even unbiblical. In retrospect, it was my patchy knowledge of scripture and the general lack of preaching on spiritual father-son relationships in the church that caused this. I am blessed by the fact that New Philly is now a church with spiritual sonship ingrained into its DNA. It indeed brings a great sense of comfort and safety in knowing that even our spiritual fathers are held accountable as sons to their spiritual fathers, and that mature sons go on to take care of their aged fathers, so that the flow of wisdom among men and women of God is never cut off.

  266. Daniel Dae Eun Kim (Itaewon) says:

    Sonship is something that the world is lacking and we need more of it. It is a way that men and women can grow and experience the sonship between God and us with the help of an actual person. God designed this system so that we would understand what it means to be sons of God and also to help us grow closer together as a family. When the son comes under a proper father figure who follows after the heart of God then the son can also learn to grow and mimic the ways of the Father through seeing how the earthly spiritual father does it.

  267. Crystal Smith says:

    “Father”- this is a word that has held a lot of weight for me all of my adult life. I did not grow up with my father and – unfortunately have experienced the effects of a father abandoning his authority and abusing his authority. For years now I have felt the effects of a lack in “fathering” in the Church (especially when I was a leader in the church) but in my immaturity and lack of understanding I could not teach on this nor truly understand teaching on it in the way that impacted my daily life. I always was struck, encouraged, or convicted by teaching about sonship and fathering – but it hasn’t been until NP that the role of authority and honor have been revealed as the missing pieces in this puzzle for me! I really enjoyed the documentary because it is encouraging to know there are leaders speaking about this – teaching this – and being bold. It was a little hard for me personally relate to the video because it was focused on the male perspective – but it really sparked a curiousty in me to know more about the female role as sons because we get the full inheritance as well. I have never heard teaching on this – so I am now inspired to pray into this, read scripture about this! I have struggled all my life knowing how to step into the role of a daughter – this is a whole new challenge – and I can’t wait for the Spirit to open more up about it!!

  268. Elbert Hayama says:

    I have not lived with my father starting at a very young age. I have lived much of my life without an intimate relationship that a father and son has. Even after becoming a christian, it was hard for me to grasp the concept of a “fatherly” love and even now I have yet to experience and learn more of that relationship. It was very new to me that we can have “fathers” in our church. This concept that the church not only has leaders and pastors that mentor us, but has “fathers”, completely threw me off and amazed me. I am very thankful and relieved that I can learn about this Sonship here at NP and to be part of the NP family.

  269. Sonship… is the core foundation of it all! I do feel that this comes before (I dare say) even the core values and our leadership status, serving capacity etc! It’s our relational standing, relationship, identity rather than how good we are or what we have to offer (functional). A church established in sonship is able to speak deeper into people and bring powerful transformation as there is greater safety and trust, more openness to receive as we know it’s out of love and commitment.

    I’ve been a part of.. 5 churches in my life. Thankfully I haven’t had a pastor leaving on me. For 3 of them I was only there for a short time and I don’t even have any memory of them. Not that I’ve physically spent more time with PC and PE, but out of everyone in the body of Christ, they have had the biggest impact over my life as a christian. I’ve taken their words so much deeper. I think it’s primarily because there was a established relationship as spiritual father and son. So their words (including when it was through other leaders of the house) had much more value/weight to me. It brings me to tears when I think about how blessed I’ve been by PC’s words because I ultimately felt like that’s what father God would be saying to me in that moment. When I first came to church, I’d cry and refuse to call God father but now I’m totally healed and I love my biological father too. There have been so many times where I felt like “ah.. that’s what father is supposed to be like!” from seeing PC. Having a spiritual father (PC and PE) who believes in me, who committed to me when I had nothing to offer and was if not the least loveable haha, who spoke life over me,.. it’s been the greatest strength and empowerment to overcome all things that I’ve faced. As a result, I am serving the house with love and thankfulness and I love seeing PC and PE in turn getting blessed by their spiritual father!! I want them to also receive and be blessed!! ^___________________^

  270. John Han says:

    One thing that stuck out for me in the video was the fact that Catholics are used to the idea of the spiritual fathers. It really is a forgotten concept in Christianity these days and i see how it could prevent the church from achieving its fullest potential. Re establishing this concept strenghtens the ties among Christians(which is exactly what God wants its bride to be) and solid family like ties among Christians are what enable the church to mobilize against demonic factions of municipalities without “losing” anyone in the process.

  271. Powerful video! Allthough I’ve had a strong father in the natural, due to issues with former pastors, I haven’t ever had a strong “spiritual father”. Growing up in western “Lone Ranger” Christianity was the only paradigm I knew and this video blasted me with a deeper realization of what true spiritual Sonship/Fatherhood looks like. I think it’s high time for me to break into a deeper mode of spiritual connection and get over certain relational blocks. it’s time to be a son!!

  272. Sarah Ahn says:

    I never thought about the importance of having a “spiritual father” in the church. I thought our relationship with our heavenly Father was all that we needed. Through this video, I learned the essential need of soul-caring and soul-nurturing from our spiritual father, which is closely related to mentorship. To be able to pour out, we need to be poured into. And to think that we don’t need a spiritual father is arrogance. I was very convicted by this message because I thought I was spiritually mature enough to not have a spiritual father/mentor. But there are so many areas I need to grow in through the help of a spiritual father.
    Another thing that challenged me was the importance of becoming a spiritual father and not merely remaining as a son. But to be a good spiritual father, it starts from being a good son. Like Paul, I need to set a good example for others to follow. But to be a good example, I need to have an example myself to practically see what it means to follow Christ and serve Him. Like Paul was to Timothy and Timothy was for the church, I realized that this father-son relationship within the body of Christ is what God uses to shape his people into mighty leaders. I am so thankful that God sent me to this church that knows the importance of spiritual fatherhood and sonship. I am so excited to see what God will do as he establishes this spiritual father-son relationship in my life with the New Philly pastors. I believe it will equip me in great ways in fulfilling my call. God is good(:

  273. Chloe Cho says:

    In the midst of getting trained to hopefully grow in spiritual leadership by the grace of God, learning more about sonship really helps seal my identity as a son and readies my heart for a spiritual father. While moving around from one place to another repeatedly throughout my life, I never made a father-son commitment. In my thoughts, deep connections and full covering with people whom I know would eventually be very distant from me would only hurt me. Such a view of mine prevented me from becoming fully vulnerable even to my accountability sisters. I did not allow anyone to really see every part of me and teach me the way of life. The fact that Jesus was a son the whole time He ministered really empowers my desire to build a true sonship.

  274. Betty Huang says:

    Being a son of our holy father is honorable. We all have responsibilities to carry in order to well behave. When I was watching this, paster Erin is calling herself as a son. At that moment, I feel so honorable being a son of him as well. This relationship is so strong and so spiritual. Me and my father are like the best friends in this world because we can literally talk about anything. We are all sinners but Jesus died for us on the cross. He suffered so much pain for us. The sonships between Jesus and God is previous. I am feeling beyond honorable being his child. In the Church, pastors have that father figure to me. God is ask them to preach to us and bonding the relationships. I am so glad i am learning so much from the new philly pastors. Feeling proud of myself as a son of God!

  275. Megan Holmes says:

    I would have to be pretty disconnected from the world to not agree that more true fathering is needed, including among christian families. As a teacher for eight years, I’ve certainly noticed the lack of fathering, whether it be the absence of it or the act of it. The Church should be modelling fatherhood and the best way to learn it is by experiencing it firsthand. Because of this, I completely agree that churches should address this need in a more systematic way.

    The aspect of sonship that I have been chewing on a bit is not necessarily the concept or purpose of it, but rather the terminology of it, its biblical/theological foundation, and what exactly Father God views it as among people. When it comes to the term ‘spiritual father’ I’ve always associated it with Father God, everyone’s true Father. I’ve sort of associated christian leaders who refer to themselves as spiritual fathers (or congregations that refer to their christian leaders as spiritual fathers) with idolatry in a way. I’ve always felt that the act of calling someone else “father” in a spiritual sense was placing them too “high” before God and that God is the only one who we are supposed to view and follow as our actual spiritual father. This is really hard to put into words so I’m sorry if I’m a mess of words! When I think about how sonship was described in the video, it really isn’t all that different from what I have experienced and associated with ‘discipleship’ in my christian walk. I’ve been discipled by more mature christians in different churches and in Campus Crusade for Christ, and have always loved it and learned from it. I respected their wisdom, experience, spiritual gifting, and guidance with heavier and “lighter” issues in my life. However, they usually encouraged me to listen to God’s voice about decisions that I needed to make in addition to what they heard and felt. They made it clear to me that I had the same Holy Spirit in me that they did and whenever their was a decision to make about something, they didn’t simply tell me what to do but they prayed with me about it and we both would almost always hear the same response from Holy Spirit. Is the sonship described at New Philly and in this video similar to this? I get the feeling that it is more about obeying our human spiritual father than seeking God’s voice out together first when making decisions to see if God confirms the wise choice in both of us. Of course if God’s voice isn’t heard clearly by the ‘son’ and is by the spiritual father, then the ‘son’ should take the wisdom and trust that God just wants them to trust Him through their spiritual father. Anyway, those are some of my jumbled up thoughts and questions about having a spiritual father other than our spiritual Father God and about what sonship is supposed to look like according to Father God. Like PB said in the video himself, more work needs to be done for a more solid biblical/theological foundation and understanding of what sonship is.

    Now lets get past the terminology and analytical stuff and focus on what I really related to in the video. PE talked about being a wife and how it feels knowing that her husband is under accountability within a more structured relationship with mature believers. She mentioned that she feels safer. I completely relate to this and have felt this since coming to New Philly! Also, PC shared that focus should be on relationship first instead of function. By doing this, our christian leaders can better place us in serving positions that Father wants us to serve in. The one thing that moves me away from the doubting “idolatry” place that I mentioned earlier is that this sonship model emphasizes the importance of EVERYONE being sons, including those who call themselves spiritual fathers. This is one thing that I specifically looked for in churches when I was “church shopping” and something I really admire about New Philly.

  276. Esther Jeong says:

    I was raised in a church that emphasized discipleship, but in many cases we lacked the intimacy of a Father-Son relationship. Most church leaders were respected CEO-type of people, and they lacked the heart of a son. When I envision father, I see an authoritative figure above me, who I must respect and who expects my respect. I never had an intimate bond with my worldly father, and I wonder how much influence that must have had on me and my spiritual life. When Pastor Erin shared about a father who is below, lifting you up to help you – it really touched my heart, and I realized that is the kind of relationship I desire.

    Watching this video made me realize how I lack both a spiritual father and the heart of a son. I don’t think I was ever open and willing to be a son, and mimic a spiritual leader’s way of life. The church as a the household of God should be a family, where everyone has the heart of a son, and spiritual leaders loving on their spiritual sons, imparting their way of life to them.

  277. Aram Lee says:

    “What spiritual fatherhood is about the impartation of way of life. It’s about learning how to interpret the Scriptures in every action of life.”
    “He(son)’s got my heart. when you see him loving people, responding to their problems and questions, you are gonna be reminded of the way I(father) love. He has allowed himself to be constrained by my heart.”
    -> After I watched this video, I prayed for clearer revelation and understanding of a father-son relationship, with these 3 verses below. I want to grow more as a son, and also as a father too. ^^
    [1 Corinthians 4:15] For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.
    [2 Timothy 3:10] You, however, have followed my teaching, my conduct, my aim in life, my faith, my patience, my love, my steadfastness,
    [Psalm 68:5] Father of the fatherless and protector of widows is God in his holy habitation.

    “Lord, I’m trusting your structure of authority, the leadership that you’ve established in my life. I’m submitted to them.”
    -> Maybe my leaders may tell me things I might not want to hear. But I trust them and am ready to listen. When they tell us what we need to hear, that is where the enemy tries to distort things. It is all part of growing up, and I will be growing in maturity with humility.

  278. Rebecca Park says:

    Restoring spiritual fatherhood and sonship in the church will indeed take a lot of effort from both sides taking responsibility. I hope that New Philly will stand in the forefront in training and building up godly men that will become the fathers that are lacking in the church today.

  279. Galaxy Cho says:

    Wow. I love the part that said a fool can birth a child but it takes a father to have a son. I also really liked the clarification PB made about how in the past with Rabbis they already knew the scripture, and then came into discipleship. It’s about learning more than just the words in the Bible, but almost a way of life. He will remind you not of my preaching but mimic my way of life. What an amazing clarification of what sonship should look like! Also I think it was helpful to know why is this Pauline sonship not seen so much in the church today? The historical background of why it has been this way in Protestant churches was helpful. I’m so excited for the restoration of sonship that these pastors are seeking, and especially at NP, since this is my church.

    I think from the outside, I had wondered what the effective discipleship methods of NP is when I saw so many people being changed, but now as I’m learning about sonship at NP myself, I am seeing why ministry is effective at NP. Discipleship and ministry isn’t just “ministry” and “teaching.” It’s SONship at NP. The intimacy and family established at NP is so moving and powerful and safe.

    I also really appreciated that PE clarified that women are full inheritors. FULL SONS with access to the inheritance of the Kingdom. I think recently there are movements to change wording from “sons” to “sons and daughters” but SONship especially in male dominant cultures such as Judaism was, a SON is so different from a daughter. As someone who grew up in asian culture, and felt the effects of being a daughter over a son, I want SONSHIP I want FULL ACCESS. And I LOVE that PE emphasized this.

  280. Michelle Hwang says:

    The concept of fatherhood and sonship in and of itself was not a new concept for me. However, this video really took the meaning and significance of this in my life to a new level.

    I was born into church and my spurts of rebellion were short-lived. However the transient pastors and leaders always left me a spiritual orphan. I was quickly propelled into positions of leadership in the past, with no proper ‘sending off’ and no personal investment from a spiritual father. It was rather out of desperation and lack of leaders in the church. With no-one keeping me accountable, no-one there as a spiritual father figure, my cup became empty very quickly and I was slipping in and out of church very quickly. The emphasis and value of spiritual fatherhood in NPC has helped me overcome my fear of taking another position of leadership within the church. These past experiences have made me reluctant to allow myself to go beyond membership, but NPC’s commitment to this biblical father-son relationship restores my faith in pouring out love onto others the way that my spiritual father and other leaders of NPC will onto me. It has truly eradicated apprehension of an empty cup or spiritual emptiness within my heart.

    The fact that spiritual fatherhood is not about service and not about acts but about relationship, the fact that it does not involve emulating the words or tone of voice of the father but about emulating a lifestyle and the heart of the father was a deep revelation and allowed me to truly understand the biblical meaning of sonship.

    I also have always struggled with reconciling ideas of ‘gender equality’ with Christianity and certain teachings from the bible. Although all the questions I have pertaining to this have not been answered, a fundamental question was answered by PE. Her emphasis that women have full access to the inheritance as sons int he same way that men do, was convicting and in a strange way, relieving/comforting. Despite knowing the in my mind, it was something that was still burdening my heart throughout the video. However as PE explicitly articulated this, I had a deeper revelation and conviction that I, as a daughter, have full access and rights to the inheritance.

  281. Grace Cho says:

    The video introduced a new concept to me. I have received teaching and revelation on being a son of God, not just a servant of God, and this greatly impacted my life and perspective on my relationship with God. However, I didn’t realize that this concept of sonship extends to the church context and the relationship with my church leaders. I guess when I read Paul’s writing to Timothy and the early churches about him being their spiritual father, I unconsciously deduced that they were special cases for Paul and not something to be widely experienced in the church globally today.

    I think it would change the church today if more such expression of a father’s heart for relationship existed in every local church. I could relate to Ps. Christian’s comments about the difference between having a functional mindset and a relational mindset in the context of serving at church. I realized from the video that my experience of serving in church has probably included a large element of the functional dynamic. This may be what has led to feelings of obligation, dryness and burnout in the past and a current day sensitivity / aversion to serving, despite desiring to spend my time for God’s kingdom.

    It gives me hope that churches are starting to bring back the relational dynamic that was lost after the Reformation. I agree with Ps Benjamin’s comment that churches need to study this more from the Scriptures and establish sound teaching, to allow spiritual fatherhood to be more widely spread and accurately practised. Being new to all this, I’m still not clear on what it is supposed to look like in practice.

    The video also challenges me to think about how I can walk in a mindset to bless others with the Father’s heart in real and practical ways. I was blessed by the narrator’s father’s commitment to his son. Then to see the son pouring so much love and affection on his father when he is a grown adult illustrated to me the beauty of a two-way father/son relationship.

  282. Jake Murphy says:

    This video gave a really interesting and careful Biblical message of Sonship and Fatherhood vs the idea of Mentorship and Mentee relationship. Coming from a divorced home and an having an absent father figure, the idea of a long-term committed relationship is an interesting idea and concept that is foreign but really interesting. I really like the idea of taking the messages that we receive and that we are given to steward and then going out and multiplying the treasure when we are called to go after our time to take on the relationship with our Spiritual Father and not running away but waiting for our Father to send us not just going and asking for a blessing. It is interesting to me how important entering into sonship is so that we can really embrace the future that God has called us to.

  283. Kyla Hoggard says:

    I have been in Christian circles, and attended various churches for years. I have always thought of my Senior Pastor as a spiritual father and sort of leader of my faith. The last church I was a part of I was able to experience more of the “way of life” and the “inheritance” mentioned in the video. But I think the two way road that is mentioned at the end is more necessary. I feel like as we grow up, with our natural fathers we have questions and concerns and we want to discuss those things. And I feel the same is true for our spiritual fathers. If we have questions and concerns, if we do see their lives, and try to mimic their ways and live out of the overflow of our inheritance passed down from them; if as we grow up we begin to question some actions or attitudes I believe that is where transparency on both sides is needed. And to have that genuine care and concern for one another spiritually is most needed. I believe that would be the most beneficial. We still have a far to go, but it’s exciting being reawakened to the Lord as our Father and the manifestation of Fatherhood and Sonship in the community of faith.

  284. I am reevaluating my understand on the relationship between the members of the Church. I only thought of the sibling relationship and the family connection that comes from having God as our Father. But then again, God designed the family to have a father and a mother! I wonder if the manifestation of the Spirit of Sonship WITHIN the Church is a reflection/demonstration/manifestation of the Father’s heart of God.

  285. Emil Bredahl Lavsen says:

    This video together with Pastor Christians teaching on sonship has really touched me and challenged me at the same time.

    The life of a Danish person is individual “ME ME ME” times a million, and most of us are taught that “I need to take care of my own life and not trust anyone”. Even in the church is this well taught, and I quickly grew into beliving that NO PASTOR should tell me what to do or how to live my life.

    But that is not as I learned through watching this documentary not at all what sonship is all about. There is so much to this important truth from the Bible, that I had no idea about

    We are looking at a person who is willing to live life with you as he is pouring into you the inheritance and imparting a way of life. There is a deep felt connection between the two, the “Father” is going to start and then walk with you, and not just leave you in the middle. It is not a mentoring session that one day has an end, because in Sonship there is a love that is strong and powerful, and a deep felt connection, that brings the feeling of belonging.

    The apostle Paul demonstrated that love in his relationship with Timothy in such a powerful way, and that is why it is so sad that the modern church followed in the steps of the reformation as this teaching was lost and neglected. Luther and the reformers taught an individual way of life, that suddenly became the way of life for a Christian.

    Sonship though is something that I have wanted to experience in my own life, but for too long time have I allowed individualism to rule me, and I was so afraid of allowing people to speak into my life and I experienced some not so nice pastors in the past who would abuse their position in some sad ways. So I came to New Philly really confused!

    I have never had an older spirit filled pastor/leader that I could refer to as my spiritual father, but deepest inside did I have this longing/Cry for someone to say “I love you”. Being the first Christian in my family really have been hard most of the times because I did not have anyone to walk with, because I had closed myself for relationship’s and especially sonship, did I feel alone and broken.

    I am happy and excited that Fatherhood is being restored to the church of today, and that New Philly is not training performers but instead raising up powerful sons to influence this world for Jesus Christ. I love how there is in New Philly a focuse on relationship and the aspect of family.
    Because in the end, is the truth that Sons get the inheritance, and that is powerful for sure. I Emil am a part of this, I take part of the inheritance “Hallelujah”

    I am now willing to submit and open my heart to Fatherhood, and lay years of thinking that I could do all in my own power behind me.

    Thank you for a good documentary on Fatherhood that has taught me so much

    Emil Bredahl lavsen

  286. Heather Smith says:

    I was really challenged and encouraged by this video and Pastor Christian’s teaching on sonship last night at NRTC. Before coming to New Philly I served as a part of a missions organization that teaches anout and seeks to cultivate sonship under the topic of “the father-heart of God”, during my time with that group I received a lot of understanding about this topic as well as healing, but this time God is using New Philly to really make this teaching take deeper roots in my thinking and in my heart. I think the most impactful aspect of this teaching for me where I’m at right now is the element of commitment that is involved in both sonship and fatherhood. In the video a young man shares his testimony of how God called him to remain as a son of the house rather than leave to pursue missions in Bolivia. Another part focused on the difference between being sent out and “just leaving” and another man gave his testimony about wanting to plant a church but not inviting his spiritual father into the process and instead simply seeking a “stamp of approval”. Those two testimonies really convicted me about my own perspective which has been very individualistic towards the spiritual fathers God has placed in my life. I have tried to venture out on my own, but I am so thankful for this new opportunity here at New Philly to submit myself to real spiritual fatherhood in a house that takes that responsibility seriously both from the perspective of being a son as well as being a father. God is showing me the necessity of commuting myself to this house as a son so that I can shed my performance-seeking servanthood and learn to walk in sonship in submission, commitment, and true servant-heartedness/humility. Praise God for this revelation :)
    Heather Smith

  287. Isabel Syers (Hongdae A) says:

    Wow, what a powerful video.
    I’m seeing a lot of parallels with the audio sermon I listened to last night on Honoring others, creating a culture of honor.

    What we all need more than someone preaching, or trying to fix others is to be spiritually and emotionally involved, INVESTING in those around us. Building a deep connection, family oriented, SPENDING TIME, just being together, learning of each other, Taking them in.

    Definitely want more of this from my earthly Father. When he does speak into my life, there is such a deep intimate feeling of love, level of trust and purity, and my soul craves it! And I know my sisters need that as well.

    I also want to learn how to be a son, praying that the Lord will send me Spiritual Fathers, that I can honor and SUBMIT to their authority, looking if they bear witness, ask them to walk along side me, to SEND me, trust the Lords authority and structure of leadership.

    The Lord highlighted so many names to me, of people that I need to invest in. And if I truly care for them, if I truly want to see them prosper in life, then I need to honor them, and value them RELATION ALLY first. Wow so convicted on valuing them functionally first.

    The concept of being a son because I get an inheritance through his words, is still really new, and I would like to find more scripture in that so I can fully know this truth.

  288. Listening to the seminar on “The Spirit of Sonship” by PC & to this documentary, I realized why God emphasizes our identity as His sons & daughters first before any other identities. When we talk about ourselves as orphans before knowing Christ and then becoming born again Christians, we tell each other that we’re adopted as sons & daughters to God. Not only do sons inherit what the father has, but I think that the true beauty comes from the father-to-son relationship. Just like PC confessed in the documentary that it’s about finding value in the relationship rather than in function. Functions can waver from people to people & from season to season. However, relationship can last throughout the seasons & people, which reflects our relationship to God. God is also relational, rather than functional. God doesn’t put our worth in what we can do for Him, but rather how He relates to us through His love.

    Something new I learned through the documentary was from what PE said in the documentary of how she is a son to God, rather than a daughter in spirit. She emphasized specifically on how sons get the father’s inheritance, and I realized that it’s true throughout the Bible as well. Even though I am physically female, in spirit I am a son to God because I too have access to what God has. I would like deeper revelations throughout the leadership process on the notion of sonship.

  289. Sonship has been critical to my Christian walk. Without it, I don’t think I could have come this far, this steadfastly and this quickly. Sonship purifies the heart and mind, because Father God uses His ambassador, His own other faithful son and daughter, to lovingly speak truth, encouragement and correction into his other sons and daughters’ lives. They also, just as Pastor Erin said during the video, receive the inheritance of their spiritual father or mother in Christ, and it is a beautiful, splendid thing, undeserved.

  290. Max Park says:

    The reason why a father figure is so important in our lives is that the father figure gives us an impression that someone is trusting and encouraging us whether he is an earthly father or spiritual father. I believe the reason why orphans tend to fall into a corrupted life style is because they realize that there is no one who can guide them or encourage them. Without any encouragement, they do not feel any love. Without any impression of love, they do not learn about it and become corrupted. For Christians, therefore, a father-to-son relationship is crucial because it is an essential aspect that enables us to learn about love and grace of God. As long as we know and acknowledge that our earthly or spiritual father is advising and encouraging us, we, as sons, will also realize the love that we are receiving and do not fall into a path of corruption. Instead, we would only put our focus on God and continue our walk as Christians.

  291. Greg Salvo says:

    The main problem in Christianity today is that pastors are educated in seminaries, where as the video discussed, the general flow of protestant theology has been to disregard and eliminate a discussion of what it means to be sons, and what it means to have spiritual fathers. This is why it is hard to accept Paul when he is talking to the Corinthians in first Corinthians 4. When I read first Corinthians 4 I thought of all the church scandals that seem to come like clockwork. Is it because pastors are not trained to have a father heart for their congregation? As we look at church landscape today, and culture, it is not a family. The narrator in the beginning said “God stresses unity.” It is a challenge to understand unity in our western world that emphasizes individuality, and freedom. How can we grow in unity? As Pastor Robinson said, it is true that we need fresh theologians and artists to paint a new picture for the church of what it means to live as brothers and sisters, in community with fathers in Christ to guide us into all the freedom, and unique creativity God has given us through Christ.

    If you are not a son, you can never be a father. Do I know how to be a son, or have I become well “adjusted” to this orphaned life? “A cry to be fathered, and a cry to know how to father.” I pray that this would be a new and constant cry of my heart.

  292. Mary Jung says:

    The video was so interesting and really opened my eyes to the understanding of Sonship. When you think about it, a father is known to show you how to catch a ball, tie your shoes, how to ride a bike, punch that perfect uppercut and so much more. We can probably think of a million things that the Ideal Earth father could teach us in our mere 100year lifespan. Then how much more will our father in heaven teach us, through our spiritual fathers, to prepare us for our eternal life with Christ?
    When I think about it, there are just so many things that I want to learn and understand to even get a basic grasp of what our imperfect lives are about. Then how much more guidance would I need to even see what the perfect Kingdom of Christ is about. I think Sonship is one of the strongest and most effective ways to understanding the width and breadth of Gods heart and when I reflect on the spiritual fathers that have sowed into my life, I feel truly blessed and happy.

  293. Isaac Yi says:

    This video has spoken very clearly to me about the deep relationship between a father and a son that has been forgotten, distorted, and neglected by the world ever increasingly. As I was watching the video, I was reminded of my own life and my relationship towards my own father. In the United States, the divorce rate is nearly 50 percent, one in two marriages end up separated. I am one of those statistics when my parents divorced each other when I was eight years old. My father’s abandonment of my family has subsequently distorted my childlike need and guidance from an earthly father, whom represents a heavenly father in God. It has lead to a difficult and rebellious relationship that I have had with my current stepfather for a long period of time during my high school years. I can confidently say that the absence of a father has great effects on a son for I know what it has done to me. All should and must acknowledge that this fatherless movement is occurring in our current age. I also grew up in a Presbyterian Church and it is by grace alone that I have had an amazing church and pastors who have seen my inception and growth as a Christian and still continue to shepard over me. However, I will acknowledge that sonship is something that is rarely discussed and incorporated into many church cultures. This video has expanded my scope of God’s imagination of the numerous ways he works his will. I am extremely grateful that PC has revealed his heart for all to see the great importance of fathers in our lives but also the need to imitate Christ the greatest son the world is to observe.

  294. Pak Tanya says:

    From this documentory I got know how important the Father-Son relationship. I always thought that Pastor is my Spiritual Leader and never thought about Pastor as a Spiritual Father. Always thought that my Spiritual Father is God but I realized how it’s important to have a Pastor as your Spiritual Father who can help us to get rid of our sins and to show who we can become. And as a members of our church we should begin to see the Pastors as Fathers.
    And as a Pastor Erin said “I’m a daughter of Our God but spiritualy I’m also a son“ such a powerful words and it is true, spiritualy we are sons of God” It’s so great that we have Father who’s not only above you and watching at you, but also lifting you up.

  295. Emily Pack says:

    This documentary was powerful for me and also extremely helpful. I have been struggling lately hearing all this terminology about sonship at New Philly. I nod my head in agreement and inside I still felt as if, “I don’t know what they are talking about?” I think I felt too intimidated to ask, as most seemed in the know about what this term meant.

    This documentary clearly explained the importance of a father-son relationship, in the obvious biological way, but also in the spiritual way. This message spoke of the importance of sonship: a pastor pouring into the life of a church member/leader in the same way a father pours into the life of a son. It’s not simply a “functional” relationship, as PC noted (what can you do? What are your giftings?), but the importance of relationship before function.

    Why do we need sonship? Many people think they can do this life alone. Many people think they can do ministry alone. They think they’ve figured things out, or maybe, they have reached their highest potential. But what many fail to understand is that we ALL need “a way of life to follow.” Obviously, we need to follow the life of Jesus. But, it can be hard to understand what that means practically in our modern lives, right? Sonship allows us to follow a spiritual father, to mimic their life. This “come follow me, live as I do and follow Christ in this way,” mentorship that doesn’t have an end point. A Paul and Timothy relationship we all need. I LOVE this!

    I am thankful that PE noted that even as women, we are considered sons in the spirit. Why? Because sons receive the inheritance of their fathers! Also, she noted that “having someone oversee my husband makes me feel even more safe in my marriage.” I was really blessed by this point and the documentary as a whole.

  296. melody welton says:

    When mentorship was mention in the video it was stated that it comes with an understanding that it will eventually end. That is where sonship is different. My earthly dad is always my dad, and in the same sense my spiritual father should always be my father, we are family. When Paul sent Timothy he did so knowing Timothy would “mimic his way of life” which was also mentioned in the film. I want to be able to do that in Melbourne as I am sent by my spiritual father from Korea. I was blessed when PE mentioned the safety she feels knowing PC is covered and in sonship, and that the father is there to be beneath us, lifting us up. So good!

  297. Somyoung choi says:

    I was shocked to find out that the concept of spiritual father and sonship was rejected during the reformation, because the bible clearly gives an example of this through peter and timothy’s relationship. I think that a spiritual father is necessary because it illustrates to us the relationship between God and jesus, and like pc mentioned, it really brings to life the concept of the church being a family. We all make mistakes, and without anyone to guide us or hlep us back to our feet when we stumble, i doubt anyone could stay firm to the end.

  298. Nick R. Pack says:

    I have to agree with my awesome wife. I was confused by all the “sonship” lingo. I was down with its emphasis but I had to assume what it meant. The documentary helped a lot. I learned how the reformers dealt a blow to spiritual fatherhood and sonship, thus giving rise to our current spiritually-individualistic ways. It it feels good and right knowing the older traditions of Christianity have these paradigms intact. Secondly, I was blessed to hear PE talk about the safety she felt knowing PC was a spiritual son to an older man of god. There is comfort is knowing your loved ones, as leaders, are not lone wolves, fending for themselves spiritually and theologically. I want my wife to know that I’m connected intimately with my spiritual father and doing my best to imitate him. And lastly, I loved hearing Pastor Daniels talk about Jesus ministry as an overflow of *his* sonship. If sonship is for Jesus, then it’s for me too!

  299. Valentina Kim says:

    When I saw the title I felt like it was such a strong and lonely word. As soon as I started to see the statistics of lost people my heart broke about this sad reality. I also felt threatened measuring the consequences of spiritual fatherlessness in nowadays churches.
    The concept of sonship is foreign to me and this video clarified many things that I did not understand about it. During the time I was watching the video I could not drop the unbelief and skeptical thought about why someone would genuinely pour into the lives of others, and how sincere can they be… I understand that God stays in the midst of hardship but a man…
    I realized through this how important the relationship between the spiritual father and son is. This relationship will be built only through trusting and interactions. I really liked what PC shared… it’s not about producing the best product for the function but a mature son.

  300. Sujin Lee says:

    For the first part of the video, I thought about my earthly father. My father and I haven’t spent time together a lot and in the past, there were moments I felt so sad because I thought my father didn’t want to spend time with me or didn’t really care about what’s going on in my life. I used to bring up questions likes this to myself, ‘Does he really love me?’ The more I learn about relationships at church, the more I realize that how important it is to for me to form certain relationships profoundly. And definitely, having a spritiual father is essential for me to be taught in the way God wants me to learn and grow. And I am pretty sure that it will affect my relationship with my earthly father, for us to have closer relationship. In addition, being a son and being willing to learn from my spritual father and leaders are going to shift many things in my life, to make me rise up in spirit and to be more fruitful for what God wants to me to yield.

  301. If the apostle Paul stressed sonship so much why is it so absent in our generation today? What P. Benjamin shared was that in Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodox tradition the role of religious fathers has been honored and preserved. But in Protestant Christianity, it had disappeared along with the reformation to produce an individualistic Christian spirituality. The consequences of throwing out the baby with the bathwater has followed us ever since. What especially stood out to me was that pastors are sons too. They equally, if not especially, need someone pouring into their lives. Many perceive spiritual fathers to be abusers of spiritual authority but it is actually when pastors feel that they do not need a spiritual father speaking into their lives that authority becomes dangerous.

  302. Sheila Moh says:

    The Journey of a Son determines by how a son can be well taken care of by a spiritual father. A spiritual father portrays an image of a father who cares for their children, like how Paul spent time with Timothy. The amount of time invested in praying, advising and listening to their children equates to the love they pour out to their children. This intimacy developed will allow sons to follow the right path of their spiritual fathers. It truly shows the importance of a spiritual father to be on his son’s side, making sure they will not go astray.

    A fatherless generation will leads to greater falls and the number of spiritual orphans will increase, where people will start falling apart from church and the spiritual family, which results in the lost of connection with God and its people. It is important to know about the valuable relationship between spiritual fathers and spiritual sons. Because many churches do not practice this, I see many friends of mine not attending church anymore. I feel sorry for them as they become spiritual orphans and sometimes, it is hard to get them back.

    The relationship between spiritual fathers and sons require both parties’ responsibilities. It takes two hands to clap. If only one party puts in effort, and the other gives an attitude of “I do not bother”, then all effort will be down to waste. The relationship will not work out as there are no intimacy and deep connection between the father and the son.

    As a church, we need to love one another as one family, where spiritual brothers and sisters give honor to our spiritual fathers and mothers. Together, we will grow more spiritually in Christ, loving one another more and more.

  303. Deborah Kang says:

    Just like the narrator talks about in the video, before coming to New Philly, I was in fact planning to go out on a mission on my own. Yet, God closed the door and when I was frustrated about it, He told me that I was yet a spiritual orphan. I didn’t see the connection back then but now I see the entire picture of God’s heart for sonship. To God, I had to have a spiritual father and be a spiritual son, first. As I have been determined to become part of the family in New Philadelphia Church, I am learning how having a spiritual father is something that goes beyond the teaching aspect but involves immense blessings and love. I am literally learning the way to and of life and no longer do I feel as a function in God’s kingdom but as an essential family member who is loved. I truly thank God for revealing this great truth upon which I will be firmly established.

  304. Jenny Han (Hongdae-Omega)

    That’s so true how we have enough (even too many) programs, bible studies, pamphlets and not enough ‘spiritual fathers.’ The whole idea of community group back at my college was just a cute gathering involving bubble tea to hook newcomers in. It was just a weekly, once a day meeting with a guest speaker and mingling afterwards. I tired of that so quickly. After two years of that, I found myself craving (ravenously) for someone to walk WITH me in my spiritual journey. Someone I could meet and not have to update on weeks worth of processing (most of it forgotten by the time I meet with this someone). I wanted so badly to have someone to call on the spot and both of us would know exactly what was going on. At this point, living out what Jesus desires – that it cannot be done alone – feels like the ABCs to the Jesus life. The idea of Spiritual Fathers only further adds to the idea of “sacrifice.” How it requires both people in the relationship to prioritize being shepherded/shepherding over going to watch a movie with a friend, chasing one’s own daily/life ambitions. I really respect my community group leader at New Philly in that aspect. So far God’s taught me so much through her about discipline and how lackluster my relationship with God is at the moment.

  305. Sons are to learn and mimic “the way of life” their fathers’ lives. I love that. All my spiritual fathers (pastors) whom I’ve encountered in my life have been so dear and valuable. my spiritual fathers have helped me to know the love of the Father’s heart and change my way of life. I really like how fathers are not there to just “do what I say!” instead, they say “do what I do!” My relationship with God is also very much like father and daughter relationship. I know He calls me His beloved princess. I also love how fathers are not secretive, they publicly discipline, teach and love on sons to impact the people out in the world. I am encouraged to watch this video to confidently receive the inheritance of God as a spiritual son (daughter) of the household of God!

  306. Sons are to learn and mimic “the way of life” their fathers live. Amen to that! All of my spiritual fathers (pastors)whom I have had in my life have been all so incredibly valuable to me. Without them, I wouldn’t be where I am standing and living right now. And because of that, I always look up to the fathers of the churches – try to get to know them more as a person and a teaching of the Word. I love how the fathers don’t just demand us to do what they say but instead, do what they do! My relationship with God is very much like father and daughter relationship too. He has been always the one who lifted me up every time I was at pivotal point of life. I love how PE said as a girl, we are also a spiritual SON. Yes! I am encouraged to know and cherish the inheritance that we’ve received from the Father. It is such a privilege to be under the household of God with good spiritual fathers.

  307. Tae Eun Kim says:

    In mentorship, there’s a possibility for an end. On the other hand, fathering is more than just teaching but rather a father-son connection. It is an impartation of a way of life. When a father sends his son, he doesn’t expect the son to mimic the way he preaches, the way he gestures but the way of life; people should see the father in the son in the way he (son) responds to things and the way he walks daily life. There is more protection, security and covering in a father-son relationship. Jesus’ entire ministry was done as a son, and there is a need for more men to become fathers today.

  308. Joanna Oh (Melb. church plant) says:

    I was thinking about the significance of the son who is ‘sent’ by the father. Sons who are sent don’t just go and do only what they’ve learned but they live life as they saw their fathers live. I keep thinking about Jesus who was also a son sent by the Father God. He lived as a Father would on the earth and did only according to the will of a Father. He carried the Father’s heart wherever He went. Preparing to be sent to Melbourne for church plant, I’m also thinking about what it means to be a sent son of this house and carry the heart of my spiritual father but also Father God’s heart.

  309. Joanna Oh (Melb. church plant) says:

    What stood out to me was about the sons who are sent by the father. As I’m about to be sent by our house to Melbourne as church plant team, I’ve been asking myself what it means to be a sent one. I think there is a significance of being sent by the father. Jesus was also sent by His father and did only the Father would do. He carried the heart of the Father God towards all he meet and did. I also want to be a son sent with a heart of my spiritual father and Father God.

  310. Diane Yoon says:

    This video spoke powerfully on the importance of sonship in the church and in the life of every Christian. “Any fool can make a baby but it takes a father to raise a son.” That hit me deep because I feel like it captures the essence of Christianity today: there are so many churches out there, many that are big and “flourishing,” so to speak, but how many people in the body of Christ are being shepherded by a spiritual father? I can speak from experience: I grew up in a big Korean-American church, and it’s very true that sonship was not as emphasized as it is here in New Philly. As PC mentioned, the emphasis was more on what you can do for God and the church.

    Being at New Philly has taught me a lot about the importance of familyhood and spiritual sonship. I was a spiritual orphan in the sense that I didn’t have a spiritual father in my life. Right now, I am being discipled by my familia leader, and although familia blesses me a lot, I learn so much from my leader during one-on-one discipleship. Compared to before, I realize how much more I’m absorbing and growing because there is someone to look after you personally. When I have questions or concerns, I can bring it up to her directly without hesitation because I know our relationship is covered in love, not a sense of duty. It points to the ultimate sonship I have with the Father God. When more people are covered in sonship, they will become equipped to be raised up as mighty warriors for the kingdom of God. Thus, sonship truly is vital in the church!

  311. Brittany Mickell says:

    Brittany Mickell (Itaewon )
    This video is over the idea of fostering relationships between pastors and members the way Paul and Timothy fostered their relationship through sonship. Through sonship the relationship between God, Jesus, the word of God, and all Children of God can be better understood and developed. This process allows for all children of God to experience guidance, intimacy, and love the way God intended it to be shown; not through Teacher and student, but through Father and Son.We see the utimate example of this through God and Jesus; where it is shown that Jesus is the son of God and a father to the children of God. We see that God passed down his authority and his people to Jesus through Sonship.Through this ultimate example we can see the importance of having someone who pours into you as you pour into others. This video touches on the relevance of Sonship in not just our churches, but in our families. The lack of Father’s in churches have produced spirtual orphans in much of the same way as the lack of Father’s or their guidance/presence in today’s households have produced fatherless children. Personally, I definitely feel this documentary is relevant to Christianity ( and society) today; which is why so many people here are reflecting on the personal relationships they have had or lacked in terms of Father to son.

  312. Joen Lee says:

    As an extension of PC’s first seminar on the spirit of sonship, this documentary re-emphasized how invaluable it is to receive love and life from a spiritual father, so that under him, we stand guarded, protected, and have unity as sons and daughters of a house–a family. What particularly stood out for me was how rare a spiritual father was and how this figure was set apart from simply being a teacher. The documentary demonstrated this through Paul and Timothy. Through them we see the spiritual father-sonship as the impartation of a way of life and of the father’s heart. This relationship went so much deeper than just imitation as the son would take on his father’s way of interpretation, of living life, of handling things, and his heart. How special is this kind of intimacy and nurturing?

  313. Bekah Cho says:

    I never really thought about it until now, but I’ve always seen father-son or father-daughter relationships as something really special and really important (not to discount mothers, they’re important too). There’s something about fathers that really set the tone for a household. This video states very truthfully that we live in a society that is suffering under the epidemic of fatherlessness. Men are either afraid to step up and be good fathers or they misuse the authority they have over their family and create an unsafe culture. Having a good father in the spirit of sonship is so important because you go to your father to learn, to be fed, and also seek wisdom, love, and encouragement. I really liked that this video touched upon the practical aspects of a father-son relationship as well as the emotional and relational aspects of that relationship. Like being a son doesn’t just mean you receive teaching on how to live your life. It means you receive love and grace and you are shown by example through your father what it looks like to live an honorable and full life. I grew up in the church, but I never really heard about sonship until coming to New Philly, but the more I learn about it, the more I’m shocked that this is the first time I’m hearing it, especially because its so evident in the Bible that this is the way God wants us to structure our church.

    I think there are quite a few churches out there that want to and say that they cultivate a family dynamic, but then leaders treat their students like how managers would treat those under them. But having a true family dynamic in the church is something so much warmer and something sooo beautiful. Creating an atmosphere of intimacy and trust is such a special and powerful thing and I love that I get to be a part of that because I’m a son and I am a part of a household of God! This is so cool and exciting…

  314. Clive Poh says:

    This video reveals the organic state of a our relationship with the LORD and our relationship with the leaders that the Lord has placed in the church – a Father and son relationship.

    “Discipleship is about the impartation of the way of life.” The short message shared by Ps Bengamin that disciples in the ancient Isarel is not about learning the bible nor theology. Rather it is about learning how to interpret scripture in every actions of life. This has brought enlightenment for the very purpose of the church because the church cannot be replaced by pod-cast sermons nor expository preaching.

    Being a disciple of Jesus is more than just reading of his Word as an individuals. It is about following the way of life that His disciples have led – which the apostle Paul has parallel this way of life as a Father and son. As I ponder upon this truth, my heart is filled with gladness for I know that nothing can separate a love established in a Father and son relationship.

    When I share my faith, I found myself saying that Christianity is not a religion but a relationship. The next important question would be: “what ‘kind’ of relationship is that?”. It is clear to me now :)

  315. After rewatching this video for the 2nd time, I feel like God’s been speaking to me that we have to honor both of our spiritual and earthly fathers. Father leads us not only financially, but in terms of morality and directions of our future occupations. But those are the roles of a physical father. We have one more father-Spiritual Father. A spiritual Father guides us the true path ways to live spiritually, physically, mentally and faithfully. I felt like our life just isn’t that great, and insufficient without a Spiritual Father. We are sons of both physical and spiritual fathers, creating a sonship as well. I was a Buddhist and I became Christian when I was 8 years old, when our family were having a real hard time going through the paying of debt because my mother used her company’s money for lottery and gambling purposes. This was the first BIG breakthrough when all of our family members, including me became the sons and daughters of Christ when one of my father’s very close friends of my father, who is a pastor too in Malaysia, led him to Christ, and then we were led to Christ onwards. I started to get to know more about who our God is, and how He does uniquely, secretly, and meaningfully to prune our life if we allow ourselves to be vulnerable, to be able to allow us to be touched by His holy spirit. I’m not an orphan but I could totally feel the significane for having both spiritual and physical fathers to keep us accountable, and faithful in doing everything. We are the mighty warriors that have to rise up to bring all the nations back to the kingdom. It’s time to rise up and shine for Him, who guides us spiritually and after we gain so much blessings from all of His works done.

  316. All my life, I learned that having a loving earthly father is needed in a household. And up until I truly accepted Christ as my savior, I was a spiritual orphan. Longing and loving for our spiritual Father is far more essential in our lives. But I feel like often times, we forget that so regularly. We desire more love and guidance from our own will or from the people around us. However, we need covering, we need sonship, and we need to yearn our hearts for our spiritual Father.

    Coming to college and when I was finding a new church and a community, the biggest thing I looked for in a church was a church where the pastor(s) are easily accessible and not live in seclusion from the congregation. And same with coming here to Korea and having to find a church to attend for my time here abroad, I looked for the same. When I was praying for a “good church” to attend, God spoke in my heart that no church is perfect and that I should attend a church where I can have personal relationships and be held accountable.

    So coming to NP, I was honestly astounded at first when the sermons were shown from a screen. I thought, “How am I supposed to attend a church where I can’t even see or talk with the pastor?” But I was wrong. Sonship still exists in NP. There were already many pastors around me that were always there to reach out to me. Just as Pastor Christian mentioned in the first training day, there are people who perhaps never saw him in person, and that day was the first time to even see him. But that did not mean NP lacks in having the main pastor from being not easily accessible from the church. Thus, it does not have to be just Pastor Christian who we go up to. We get sonship from the leaders at different campuses, who pray and guide over us.

    Once I truly opened my eyes and hearts for the people at NP, I realized how much love and covering there was. And commonly, they all have a burning passion to do God’s work. With these people, I was unshakable to know that they would point me to one direction, and that is to long for our spiritual Father evermore.

  317. Conner Eriksen (Hongdae-Omega) says:

    This was the first time I heard a practical and Biblical perspective on the role of a father in a person’s life. As stated in the video, the idea is mainly conceptual. We hear all the time that God is our Father, but there is virtually no call to Christian men to rise up and not only mentor, but to become spiritual fathers.

    It is not that hard of a concept to comprehend. In the physical realm, we theoretically learn ‘the basics’ from our dads, as well as deeper lessons on life. In a spiritual sense, we are also called to shepherd and be shepherd by someone with more wisdom so they can speak life into us. This goes along with basic accountability to ensure that we stay on the right path as Christians.

  318. Jessie Behrman says:

    This video really spoke to me as I have a close relationship with my father and the relationship constantly growing with my Lord Father.

    I love what I learned in this video in that through the gospel, God becomes my father and how important fatherhood and sonship is in life. We need to be poured into and loved. Being a Christian is about relationships. To be in intimate relationships with our father.

    It was a good reminder in our purpose in life and to live in God’s image. Like Paul says to imitate him as he imitates Christ. The Bible is constantly showing us that Jesus was honored by God for always submitting to Him. We need to be living our lives in this way and we can do so with father and son relationships. John Maxwell said that everything rises and falls on leaderships. Implying how important leadership and having a fatherly figure is.

    PC said that first, we need to value people relationally. As a member of New Philly, relationships are what stand out to me the most. I loved how much of an emphasis New Philly puts on this and lives this out. New Philly is a family, a family of relationships and spiritual sonship.

  319. Jennifer Kim says:

    This video showed me that although we have an earthly father, it’s important to have a spiritual father as well. I was very impressed that even pastors had their own spiritual fathers as well. I agree that no matter where you are in life, we all need to have a spiritual father, someone who we can depend and learn from. I can see how that creates a deeper relationship within the church, and it’s interesting that Protestant Christianity have not fostered that for a long time and it seems very individualistic. “Sonship” has answered some questions that I had about why the Bible always referred to everyone as sons, not daughters. In a metaphorical sense it makes sense that both males and females receive the inheritance from our Father. I agree that having that intimacy with our brothers and sisters in Christ is very important in a church, and it makes us feel vulnerable enough to open up and depend on another.

  320. CK Tong says:

    This video explains how the concept and practice of sonship has mostly been ignored in Protestant churches to the detriment of believers’ spiritual growth and intimacy, although sonship was stressed and demonstrated in the life and ministry of the apostle Paul. Sonship is about a spiritual father investing in a spiritual son, loving and teaching the son so that the son can learn the father’s heart and be sent out “in place” of the father, because the father and son have built enough trust between them so that the father knows the son is capable of doing things the way the father would do them. Sonship between a spiritual father and son should not see an end, because sons, no matter what stage they are in, are always in need of someone to love on them and guide them. Practicing sonship also means trusting in God’s structure of authority, because to be a son means to have another human being to yield to, and sometimes what the father wants may not be what the son would have chosen. But from the place of love and trust, practicing sonship will bring the son to a healthier and more blessed place.

  321. David Kimball says:

    This video was emotional for me on several levels. My heart has longed for sonship much of my adult life. Not only because my father wasn’t available to me but, I couldn’t find it in the church as well. I did have a mentor for a short season of a year in my church and ironically I called him Rabbi and I could tell when I called him that he didn’t know what to do with it. I knew it to be biblically right but he didn’t get it. I am a bay Area native so the scenery the brother with the cartoon avenger cap and the other pastors faces felt like my people in that sentimental way. I hope Pastor Benjamin writes a book on Sonship. I’ve been follow Pastor Matt Chandler for like 7 year maybe 8. He too has a healthy biblical teaching on men in the church, but sonship hits the heart of both intimacy and shared maturity. I am hopeful to live out sonship at New Philly Sillim with Pastor John Michael’s.

  322. Deborah Kim says:

    In so many countries today, it’s become so common to not have a natural father figure while growing up, that it’s also a norm to accept this as a fact of life. Coping and learning to substitute the role and input of a father shouldn’t have to be the primary response. Sonship is not just about learning to submit but about honoring the authority that the father has over the son’s life, and not just about accountability but also about inheritance. There’s also a responsibility to enter into fathering/sonship in order to keep the relational dynamic going throughout generations. Whether it’s due to cultural or personal habits, there is often an assumption that a clear distance is necessary – or even healthy. But when this relationship is intentionally rejected or kept at a more functional rather than relational state, individualism wins and cuts off the dynamic.

    I guess one question I still have is why the rhetoric of ‘sons’ is so crucial when gender doesn’t make a difference on our spiritual inheritance. If leaders are spiritual fathers and mothers, why the distinction of ‘son’ship?

    • Hi Deborah! The word “sonship” emphasises the relationship between Father and son the best, whereas other words like “children” captures the relationship but connotes immaturity and age. In general, it is the best biblical word to describe such a relationship. I hope this answers your question!

  323. James Song says:

    Revisiting this after a couple of years, I am able to see so clearly now the power of slow-cooked Christianity. PC’s recent sermons have really exposed the shortcomings of our instant-gratification culture even in the church. Without establishing a firm understanding of this Father-Son relationship dynamic in one’s life with A) God, B) the Pastor and C) Church Leaders, one can easily get lost in the Christian walk. The parallel between the lack of a natural father and a spiritual father should be clear, in that it can often produce a painful and fruitless journey. The month of October has been a powerful month for me in rediscovering and understanding the nature of Sonship to God. Having such resources from NPC is an awesome reminder of the powerful family I belong to, and realising the capacity of leadership that I am entrusted with.

  324. Jess Kim says:

    This video has taught me that sonship is much more than just mentorship, simply teaching what is right or wrong. Sonship requires for a father to pour out his love and form a great level of intimacy with the son. The son can then trust and fully submit to the spiritual leaders that the Lord has placed in his life. I agree that valuing people in the church relationally, rather than functionally, creates a great intimacy in the church and allow people to be vulnerable and honest with one another. Sonship does need to be placed back into churches today as the generations grow more and more fatherless and individualistic.

  325. Sonship and having a spiritual father are two new concepts which i am gradually learning about. Over the past year, these concepts have been revealed to me not only through NPC’s teachings but also through its leaders, community groups and serving on the tech team.
    Applying these concepts to grow in my own spiritual walk has been both rewarding and challenging. I have attended churches where the functional aspect is emphasized over the family aspect. This has led me to feel unloved and sometimes empty over time. A continual relational dynamic is very important and it is something that I am very thankful to have here at NPC. I have come to question myself on what it truly means to be a son of the house.

    I also came from a broken family with a troublesome relationship with my dad too. Like a Father and family, NPC has continued to lift me up after having found my identity in Christ again. My perspectives and relationship with my dad has since changed for the better. I believe it is crucial for us to know how we can be a father too, and carry the father’s heart to those around us who are also broken, just like Paul the Apostle. It is not enough to just share the gospel but time must also be sewn into relationships to create strong bonds, depth and intimacy. I have grown to trust NPC’s leadership over my life.

  326. Judy Choi says:

    Being a son of the rabbi was about watching and following the rabbi in all that they did. And to translate the gospel in every aspect of life, and to imitate that. I think Paul is a strong example of a spiritual father, and I remember someone once told me, in every season of your life, we need a Paul, a Barnabas, and a Timothy. What I love about the leadership of New Philly is that it isn’t expendable. There is a level of commitment from leaders at New Philly because ministry here isn’t about a job, but about the relationships that we hold. It may be harder to do life together, and for fathers and sons to be vulnerable and open to each other. It will be hard, but I think its in our New Philly culture to ask let’s sow incredibly, and reap immensely!

    As a part of the Melbourne church plant team, I go with the strong belief in the power of commitment. The power of a committed father, and a committed son. I’ve never heard of a senior pastor or a church leadership that continued to change every year or even every three years, and still seeing strong growth. This not only speaks for churches but of companies as well. And I hope that God will open doors for me to stay at Melbourne for as long as I can to sow seeds, for many seasons, that will bear much fruit, and to be there to eat the fruit of the harvest.

  327. Yoon Han says:

    This “Journey of a Son” documentary is a new concept I’ve learnt through Sydney churches.
    I was never taught on this matter and hadn’t heard anything specific like this documentary.

    Watching this video, I really do feel like this concept of ‘Sonship’ flows through New Philly Sydney. When I first attended NP Sydney, I couldn’t really pin point what was different of NP Sydney than any other church I had attended. However, I think this ‘Sonship’ that is practiced and taught is carried out through examples. The leaders here in NP Sydney really resonate the concept of ‘Sonship’ and look towards Pastor Christian and Erin as a spiritual father and mother of the house. This is something I felt drawn to as it was intimate, deep and so loving to the community, really representing God’s heard for His people.

    To be honest, I was a little skeptical of NP being a cult as if we, as Christians saw a man and woman i.e. Pastor Christian and Erin as our father and mother, that we would act and live out our lives according to their advice and believe it is the right way. Trusting in another person for the responsibility and accountability of my life was a little scary. However, when I learnt that Pastor Christian and Erin were both a spiritual son and daughter to Pastor Benjamin and Sunny, I felt safer in the fact that higher men and women of God were also humble enough to submit to another man and woman. Pastor Erin quotes “A father who is not just above you but someone who is beneath you to push you back up”. I believe our lead Pastors have this kind of heart for New Philly.

    Also, it was addressed that Jesus himself, while He was on this Earth carrying out His ministry, that it was all done as a Son, and that to be a Father, you first are a Son is very powerful to me personally. It really humbles man’s heart and shows real love for Christ-like faith.

    I like to see more of this ‘sonship’ carried out in all churches and the Christian community in Sydney. There is obviously a lot of work to be done in order to recapture this concept of Sonship but I think it’s important to live our lives, being humble, submitting to a family of Christ on this Earth and leave teachings and trained leaders in the house for a multi-generational Christian community. I believe this is a key element missing in our Sydney churches (not that I’ve been to all of them but in a general sense) and I also think it’s a two-way street. As sons, we shouldn’t wait for our Fathers to submit to us, but submit to them first. In the same way, as fathers, submits to your sons and plant seeds in them so they can grow and nurture their faith so one day they can become good fathers (worldly and spiritually).

    One day, I would like to be humble enough to say publicly, that I am a son… of God. My role here on Earth is to be a son and to carry out His calling upon my life. However, at this point in time, I have my personal struggles, an arrogant heart, not letting go of worldly definition of success and not having the faith strong enough to believe that I can do this. Overcoming these struggles would be my journey of a son..

  328. Natalie Weaver says:

    The concept of sonship in this sense articulated in these words is a newer concept to me, however it is not one that seems particularly foreign. I think I was beginning to understand this before it was ever articulated, but it was also presented in a very smooth and accessible manner. Much of this documentary spoke to me, and I’m still spending time soaking in the revelation of what was said within. One thing I really liked was the connection between the fatherlessness in the culture, and how it can also be translated to fatherlessness in the church. It’s so apparent when looking at the world the symptoms of fatherlessness, and I think it’s also visible when looking at the culture within the church as well. I loved to focus on relationship rather than production. Understanding is a journey, but I’m very appreciative that this was articulated in such an accessible manner.

    One section that I really appreciated began with Pastor Erin speaking about a father being one who not only is above you and looking down, but also one below catching you and lifting you up if you fall. There’s a lot of comfort for me in this statement. This further bloomed in my mind as I recalled the statements from many of them that spoke of always needing to always be both a father and son, and never outgrowing the need for their spiritual father. It brought to mind sections from the verses in Ecclesiastes 4:9-12 that say “Two are better than one… For if they fall, one will lift up his fellow. … And although a man might prevail against one who is alone, two will withstand him – a threefold cord is not quickly broken.” Though perhaps not a perfect picture, for me the idea of this father-son relationship is one that is so necessary, and continues to build, strengthening someone as they grow into both roles and surrounding themselves with strength.

  329. Christopher Ju says:

    New Philadelphia Church’s teachings on sonship was one of the first teachings of this house that I was exposed to when I started visiting 4 years ago. I was really impacted by the messages on sonship and began yearning for a spiritual father to guide and instruct me while I was living in China, without access to the kind of community and openness of faith that I was used to. Submitting to the leadership of a spiritual leader is often God’s way of teaching discipline and obedience. Although instruction is important, it’s more than just about teachings, which is why sonship is more than just about leaders and structure. It’s also about relationship and inheritance. When operating under the spirit of sonship we claim ownership of words which carry life.

  330. Sons need a spiritual father. In order to become a spiritual father you first must start out as a son. Fathers were once sons and that is one of the reasons they can teach their own sons.When you make room for a spiritual father you allow guidance to be shepherded into your own life. Since a lot of people grow up without a father figure it’s important that they form a connection with a spiritual father in order to grow closer too God. A spiritual father nourishes you with the word of God and leads you too maturity. Just because a spiritual father may be wiser than you does not mean they are not constantly in a state of learning as a son themselves.

  331. Kathleen An says:

    This documentary explains so clearly the importance of spiritual sonship in the church. It’s not only about the teachings, but the relationship that is built between a spiritual father and son, and how the sons of a church family relate to one another. Sonship for me personally has modeled the way Jesus loved Father God while he was on the Earth. His obedience wasn’t out of duty or being persuaded by words, but purely out of love and commitment. The words of a preacher may bring us insight, but the words of a father bring breakthrough. It is the sons that receive a rich inheritance that can be passed from generation to generation.

  332. Jae Hee Suh says:

    There is an epidemic in our generation: fatherlessness. The church does not need more teachers and instructors. Just as we need natural fathers, we need spiritual fathers. Spiritual fatherhood and sonship is biblical and is especially evident in the Pauline paradigm. Paul clearly identified himself as a spiritual father and considered Timothy his spiritual son. I love how PB says that spiritual fatherhood is not just doctrine and teaching; it is an impartation of a way of life. This is how it was with the rabbis and their pupils. We experience our sonship to God through our sonship in the church. Sonship is relational, not just functional. Just as God is relational, He wants us to experience this through sonship to spiritual fathers in the church. No one graduates from being a son. Jesus himself lived his life and did his ministry in sonship to the Father. Even if you are a spiritual father, you always remain a son. We need the voice of a father who loves and cares for us to speak into our lives at every stage of life.

  333. Sohjeong Maeng says:

    What highlighted in my heart from watching this was even fathers in this world can not satisfy but only Father in heaven can. As my faith grew and my relationship with God grew, I began to rely on God rather than my dad whom I always went for advise.

    It is so true that we need to live imitating God while we live; to be the true sons who apply scripture in every action as we live.

    And I so agree, nowadays what churches are lacking of is intimacy and love for our Father.
    Personally I think the love of Father flows from top to bottom, and love from the sons to their fathers flow back. Relationship with their pastors, leaders and ultimately to our Father is very crucial for sonship to happen in our church.

    I think sonship can happen between leaders to church members. I think leaders can flow the love of God received by Him, through Pastors to church members and hopefully outside of church too.

    I pray that the people with orphan spirit will find their spiritual father through NP leaders and pastors so that they may inherit, and gain strong, intimate relationship with God.

  334. This video is showing how important of an intimate father and son relationship.
    God blessed me so much that I have a spiritual mother in Campus Crusade. Before I had that kind of intimate spiritual relationship, I was kind of “spiritual orphan” even I was attending a church. Like the last part of the video, “Church isn’t lacking seminars or teachers, but fathers.” That makes so sense.
    It’s really hard to find the church has a spiritual sonship and fatherhood. I still seek fatherly figure in the church who can nurture in the spiriit, speak the truth and a life. This is for everyone whether you grew up with a good father or fatherless. I’m so blessed that I’m in this church that I’m being part of New philly having a true sonship and fatherhood.

  335. Jenny Shi says:

    Father God has been watching over me leading me since I admit that I am His daughter in the Kingdom. I was so protected by Him by His love. I was a bad child when I was a little, I jealous the children who grow up with a positive father; the thing hurt me the most was when my classmate invited me to their house, the first thing they arrived home is give a big hug and cuddle with their father…oh that was sooooooo hurt when i see that. and theres an evil voice keep saying that I don’t have one..
    until a highschool camp; a Japanese Singapore girl came to me and prayed” Father she is your daughter a beautiful flower on the ground; you are her sun shining through in her; your love fulfills her..” this moment was the first time I REALIZED that I actually have a Father in my life whose love never fails.
    I never learned about the Sonship from the bible back then, but I can feel God is building up a relationship with me. When I ask for His forgiveness I heard He asked me to forgive others first, the kindest Father I have ever seen.He is trying lead me by His way spiritually and also on the earth throughout the prayer. Prayer is powerful, its the way I share my life and communicate with Him; its like ask candy from your dad. He is being too good to me by listening my prayer.
    Kids who grow up without a father may easily feeling the insecurity of something; same to the church,we need to pray more and more to stay in a safety house under Father’s cover and protection. Let Him be our Father and use us all He wants, cause we are all his.

    • Jenny Shi says:

      The spiritual Father, the son of house. what it looks like to be a son of Father or a Father-Son relationship?
      Having a true commitment with Holy spirit, having the deep connection with god and trusting in God.
      Ask him anything with our short-knowledge, He is the one knows everything and all we need to do is seek His answer seek His love. From the scripture address us as His family His son or daughters, especially when we going through a tough time, how we gonna deal with the relationship with our family and with the Father.
      the intimacy between me and Holy Father comes from the prayer, reading bible, learning his words from the scriptures and following in Him with a full heart. He is grace and blessing, He will never against his child who loves Him so much because He loves us first. Trust the leadership structure Jesus created and become a humble believer of His son and daughter.

  336. Lindsay Costello says:

    This was really good to listen to! There were a lot of things that stood out to me. Frist, I’ve heard a lot over the years about the problems with a lack of fathers, but not in this context before. The worldview and theology of Fatherhood and Sonship have such an overarching role to play on so many different levels. It’s really sad that we missed out on the safety and identify that God intended for believes to experience in the body of Christ. Hearing the relationship described between Paul and Timothy, I recognized that this is something I have longed for throughout my life; however, moving around so much as a child, it was hard to develop long term relationships. I like that NP values Sonship and I’m excited to be a part of it.

  337. joshua kim says:

    It was a great documentary and it reminded me how blessed I am. I have a great earthly father who’s been a great role model for me and good spiritual fathers who recognized my potential, calling and unique personality. Without them, I’m not who I am. They’ve been pouring out their love on me. I really want to be like ,my fathers and do what they’ve doing to me.

    Thank you for the reminding video!

  338. Myko Okada says:

    I never fully understand the true meaning and significance of “sonship” until today. As a nurse, I have seen lots of cases in mental health where fathers engaged in vices, suicide, etc. and basically dealing with emotions/behavioural problems evident of not being strong enough t o handle life’s difficulties.I’m not surprised with the increasing numbers of “fatherlessness'” in this generation. I myself even grew up without one. What I have learned from the video is that even if I try to live independently on others, I need a spiritual father who will invest in my life, protect me as a “son”, be connected in the body of Christ like family,and most of all allow people to pour into my life through impartation. Tears suddenly fell off when Pastor Erin talked about “Fathers beneath us,lifting us up” and not looking down to us, because maybe I was longing for a father like support system before I got saved. The good news is I have my heavenly FAther’s acceptance, love,provision and guidance by sending the holyspirit that reminds me of no longer being a spiritual orphan. I will never live in individualistic christianity anymore. The spirit of sonship will let me live a better life with better intimacy in relationships. This concept should be the foundation of churches now a days because it is true that the world needs fathers.

  339. David Chong says:

    The concept of pastors being spiritual sons to other pastors was something I never really considered. Further to this, I don’t think I would have ever come across and embraced the concept sonship in the church had I not attended New Philly. If I was oblivious to sonship and had heard about it for the first time, I would have most probably just seen it as another stifling religious practice of submission within the church. But spiritual sonship is about so much more than just obedience and submission. Sons have an inheritance in the spiritual blessings of their spiritual fathers, and blessings are released even within the scope of the relationship. I hadn’t realised that sonship within the church was a biblical concept until Paul’s relationship with Timothy was mentioned. If the church is going to be about more than works and being a well oiled machine, we need to embrace sonship outside the scope of just being sons to our Father in heaven. We need to be sons in the house so that genuine intimacy, accountability and anointing can flourish and flow.

  340. Ashleigh Kwak says:

    Although I grew up in church, the concept of being a ‘son of a house’ was a foreign concept until I found NP. I thought it was also quite odd that every member identified themselves as ‘sons’ of the house. It definitely is not a concept that the majority of modern churches acknowledge or implement. But it is definitely biblical. The relationship of Paul and Timothy helped me understand that this is inherently the relationship I should share with the church and its leaders.
    As I come to the end of NRTC I am excited by this concept of becoming a ‘son of the house’ and it is no longer foreign to me, but rather a necessary part of my walk with Him. I am also excited and look forward to the overflow of good things and blessings that inevitably flow from the top down, including my increased sense of identity within His family. It seems like my journey as a son of NP will be nothing less of exciting or extravagant!

  341. Martin Kang - Sydney says:

    Cool documentary full of deep, rich, truths. Praise God that this aspect of fatherhood/sonship is being re-discovered. May the church be blessed by this aspect of Paul’s ministry and I pray that many brothers and sisters may receive healing from these revelations. I know from personal experience with this that my view of God as distant, disappointed, father was smashed and replaced with a father who is loving and proud of the person I’ve become. Also, knowing this helps me to relate to and pray for my own children. Thanks again.

  342. Tina Kang - Sydney says:

    This whole documentary was very good but the parts that stuck out to me the most were,
    1. When Pastor Benjamin explained what spiritual fatherhood was about (11:26..) “Spiritual fatherhood…is about an impartation of a way of life”.
    Lately I was wondering how the disciples of Jesus were able to go out and preach the gospel so powerfully and this explained it. It was because they had received an impartation of Jesus’ way of life through spending so much time with Him. And also because Jesus had spent so much time with God. The ultimate and best example of sonship.
    2. When Pastor Victor pointed out that it’s arrogant for someone to think that they no longer need a spiritual father (18:58..) It was a very surprising and direct rebuke.. but so so true.

  343. Sindy Montgomery says:

    Beng born in the 80s I have come to see this term Fatherless generation become more and more pronounced. It’s a sad and debilitating loss that families are experiencing while fatherhood is under constant attack and being removed from the lives of so many children. They gain a twisted/distorted outlook on their heavenly Father’s love and interest in them because of the void and lack of an earthly father’s presence.
    This video and today’s lesson was the first time “sonship” was truly explained. This is a beautiful and seriously needed method to reconnect the spirituality orphaned to the heart and intimacy of the heavenly Father. Knowing there’s a problem is only half the solution. It brings comfort and peace of mind to hear that some churches are now addressing this issue. Growing up in a military family left me with many abandonment issues when it came to my father. Don’t get me wrong, my father is loving and caring, but the military would take him away for days or weeks at a time for training. Growing up it seemed like my mother was a single mom at times. As an adult this colored the way I viewed my heavenly Father. Could I trust him with my heart and inner most desires, thoughts, and weaknesses without Him abandoning me. I didn’t even know thus was a deep fear of mine til decades later in my walk with him. It became more pronounced as we moved from church to church because of the military’s authority on our life. This lead to feeling of instability in mentorship and sonship in my spiritual walk. When we finally laid roots, the church we were established in was Korean American and located beside an army base. This lead to growing up in a youth group with a huge turn overrate of teachers and leaders. I have come go realize the value of stability in a young person’s life. Constant connection and affection being given and on display to them does lead to a better understanding and realization of God’s love for them. I may have grown without a spiritual father, and because of it, I have felt a huge burden and calling to be a spiritual “father” to my previous youth groups. Sonship is a inspired healing balm.

  344. Jin Kim says:

    Being a Pastor’s Kid, I didn’t really like the idea of ‘sonship’. One, I felt like I was betraying(?) my dad’s authority and his duty as a biological and spiritual father, and two, because his actions were different sometimes at home. My dad comes from a generation where the idea of ‘sonship’ and ‘fatherhood’ in a church was probably non-existent and like me, my dad is also a Pastor’s Kid, so I can see how awkward it would have been for my dad to ask a different pastor to be his spiritual father when his biological father was someone who could provide both. As I grew older I began to realise and see how difficult it is to become a ‘spiritual father’.

    The ‘fatherhood’ was highlighted a little more for me. As a son, I need to reflect the Christ-like life my spiritual parents led. This helped me realize the importance of praying for, sharing life with, encouraging and ministering to the spiritual parents as much as they pour out to us. The more I think about this, the more I regret not praying for my dad and his ministry and just his life in general. So as much as it is important to minister to God, I learnt the importance of ministering to the pastors and our spiritual leaders – to build a relationship of love and trust that moves two ways like it should be between a father and his son.

  345. Lee-Anne says:

    The key point that struck me in this documentary was being a son is a way of life. I had once had an orphan mentality hoping from church to church with no connections to the community or the pastor of the church, thus always remaining a guest. I’ve learnt that being an “individual Christian” is a very limited, dangerous and lonely one. It’s limited because there’s no guidance from spiritual authorities, dangerous because of immaturity, and lonely because I’m supposed to be in a community.
    I learnt that intimacy and deep connection with a spiritual father is important in producing sons who have learnt from their father’s ways by building a relationship with the leaders and the members of the house. Ultimately, as a spiritual son, I will share the same heart as my spiritual father.

  346. kayla vezeau says:

    Sons receive the inheritance! So powerful! So many people in this generation are fatherless and the statics were quite sad but not surprising to me. I grew up in a fatherless home and have struggled with many issues as a result. I have heard of NP often talking about “spiritual fatherhood” of “sonship”. Pastor Benjamin made some interesting comments on Jewish boys who were taught by rabbis. They were not taught bible or theology but how to live like them. Its important that we respect the authority that is above us. There is an intimate relationship between father and son that I have never considered or thought about before. Also, pastor Erin said that sons get the inheritance. God has been healing me in this area of feeling like an orphan by bringing me into this community that is so intimate. I hope that I will continue to grow and also carry the same heart for this community as a son.

  347. Anna Suber says:

    What a powerful message…

    As the video was ending, I noticed a bunch of kids playing and dancing in a room. After seeing these impressionable and loved children, a ‘ah-ha’ moment hit me. This whole time, I always thought that fathering was designed only for young children. I forgot that as adults we still need the attention of a father. Even more importantly, a spiritual father. I don’t know why I thought fatherhood ended when the child left the home, but I look at my own spiritual life and realize where I went wrong with “church.” While in college, I struggled to get into a church community to build in my faith. I became so frustrated to the the point that I even questioned God’s love for me and why church communities didn’t see me as someone important to invest in. I never planted my roots anywhere for 6 years. And man did I struggle! Fast forward to now, upon coming to New Philly, I was skeptical of this term “son ship.” I didn’t understand when people would say, “You have the inheritance or covering…etc.” After watching this video, I realize son ship is something I have been chasing this whole time. I’ve wanted someone to invest in me, keep me accountable, give me advice and show me love the way the Father has designed it to be. I didn’t understand that I needed to be vulnerable with the family of Christ. Being open is the first step to submitting to a higher power of authority over my life. After hearing this message, I also understand I will never grow out of the need to be fathered. I desire a deep, spiritual relationship with a father who can speak life and teach me lessons. The only question now is, how do I take that first step into submitting to my spiritual father? How do I not rebuke this orphan spirit when I desire a spiritual father but realize PC is a busy man? I would really like some guidance on this. Thanks!

  348. Kristian Doncillo says:

    Before watching the video “Journey of A Son”, I wasn’t too sure what sonship and spiritual father exactly entailed. What really stood out to me the most was the idea that the “church is lacking fathers, not teachers.” Reflecting a bit on this, I guess the difference is along the lines of commitment vs. contract. Sometimes churches fall into the trap of becoming too event/program focussed in the sense that a calendar year should be filled with retreats, conferences, seminars aimed to teach and develop members’ knowledge and understanding about Christianity. Not discounting the importance of these events, but having this event-heavy oriented mentality often times results in a lack of relationship building. Whereas a teacher teaches lessons, a father is someone who is there to walk with you and guide you to not just know the lessons, but live them as well. A father is someone who is not afraid to rebuke or discipline when you need it, yet isn’t afraid to be caring and gentle as well. There is a sense of intimacy with a father whereas a teacher is all transactional with minimal relational or emotional investment.

    As many of the interviewees mentioned, Paul was a spiritual father for the Corinthians. Corinth was a place where a church would least likely survive let alone start up given the city’s reputation or immorality. Whereas a teacher would have most likely got up and left for fear of association with the Corinthians, a father would have taken ownership, which is what Paul does in 1 Corinthians 4:14-15. As a father, he is not afraid to rebuke, correct or discipline the church of Corinth. Through his emotional letters to the Corinthians, it is clearly seen Paul’s fatherly commitment to them.

    Another thing to note is that sonship is a two way street between son and father. It’s not just about the father guiding the son and pouring his love for him, but it’s also the son who submits to and trusts the father. A sense of intimacy is only possible if both father and son intentionally and actively seek to grow deeper relationally. This is best seen with Timothy, who follows Paul and serves with him throughout his life. Nearing the end of Paul’s life, he passes on the torch to Timothy as a father to his son.

    The final thing that struck me while watching the video was that sonship isn’t an instance but a journey. It doesn’t just happen overnight but requires time to develop. Paul wasn’t a spiritual father to the early churches because he knew the most, he was a spiritual father because of his time and commitment in loving and guiding the churches to seek God. In 1 Corinthians 11:1, Paul says “Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ.” To imitate Christ is to be a Son of God, and to imitate Paul who imitates Christ points in that same direction. With that said, I think the whole idea of sonship and spiritual fathers is for fathers to be imitators of Christ to not just be an example for their sons, but to be Sons of God as well. In essence, it is all about the journey of Sonship to God the Father, in whom we have an inheritance as sons.

  349. Sarang Park says:

    Watching “Journey of a Son” started a fight in my heart, mostly because I could identify my longing to be poured into and to be loved by one with the heart of a father, but my instincts were telling to run for the hills.

    My experience with pastors have been a far cry from the fatherhood that this documentary tries to recapture. I didn’t even know there was a son-father relationship available as I’ve always been very wary of the power that pastors wield. Broken promises, lies, hurtful words and constantly moving homes have taught me to create clear lines on who may speak into my life. When my father and I grew estranged, those lines became walls. Even trusting God was – is – a process because it was clear to me that it was safer to rely on myself.

    Yet I understand that sonship is a dynamic required in the Kingdom. It requires vulnerability and trust. Though I am still cautious of opening myself to be in that place of exposure, it’s a process that I want to cultivate because I see the mature fruit in doing so. I see that one is even more firmly planted in God. So with faith, I accept this context of relationship. I accept to fight my fears. I hope that I will come to a place where I am a believer of the sending, where I love that I have allowed myself to be constrained by the bounds of the spiritual father’s heart.

    • kylie posteraro says:

      Sonship is so important in the church, I can’t believe how overlooked it is. While watching the documentary I couldn’t help but think of how much there is a lack of sonship in many of the churches I’ve been apart of. I learned how in many churches the pastor will take on this CEO role rather than the spiritual father role which actually turns the church into a mechanical system rather than a loving family. I liked e connection that was drawn that if we operate within the church from this mechanical system then we are serving out of duty rather then love.
      It’s so hard to form healthy sonship I think because it requires a lot of intimacy. This is really a fatherless generation were living in but I think this documentary is accomplishing what it is trying to do: not let the members of the church continue on as spiritual orphans without fathers.

  350. Orji Noble says:

    Every man can give birth to a child but it takes a father to raise a son, fathers don’t just teach contemporary things they share their lives with the sons, as a son i don’t just need a father cause i can’t read the bible or pray but i want to learn how to interpret the bible in every aspect of my life, i want to grow and mature at every stage i get in life I don’t need to be confuse and stranded on the way of life, I need a father who has gone that path before me to direct me.
    Sons always take the way of life of their fathers. A son need to be prepared for what is coming he need to be ready for what is out there, and when the father sends him out to accomplishe a task the father has full confidence in the son cause he prepared him.
    Most times we get spiritual fathers by divine placements, just as we get physical fathers, most times we don’t get to chose we are often led by the holy spirit and we have to submit and obey that authority placed in our lives, and only move out when sent.
    We can never out grown sonshipeven when we become fathers.

  351. Valerie Ng Hui Sze says:

    Watching this video has helped me realize the importance and the need for spiritual fathers. I truly think that the father-son relationship is one that is unique and intimate. A spiritual father teaches not only the word of God but he imparts unto his son, a way of life. A spiritual father provide a sort of guide to life as we (as sons) imitate him as he imitates Christ.

    The concept of fatherhood is one I am familiar with (as I was raised in a Catholic church) but never fully understood. However, I see now just how crucial it is to be shepherded and loved on by someone who carries the Father’s heart. I am learning more and more about the relational aspect of God’s kingdom. The spirit of sonship allows me set my roots down and fully commit to a community where I am called to help build up the church. I also learnt that by submitting and honoring my spiritual father, I am ultimately trusting in the authority God has placed over me.

  352. Sofia Kim says:

    The concept of sonship an fatherhood were new for me. I knew it in an indirect way, but I don’t remember to have a seminary only about Sonship and how importance it is for the family that God has created. In a family, we learn core values, steps and it gives us the equipment for life. This realtionship of spiritual father-son is so important, because it’s not only about teachings, but is based on love and the same truth. So once we learn from our spiritual father, is not something that remains only on us, but that we can continue to spread to other generations and be a reflection of our spiritual father’s way of life.

  353. Hope Schaeffer says:

    Before watching this I had thought of a spiritual father primarily as an authority, not so much as someone in a personal relationship. Paul and Timothy are a great example of a long term, loving, discipling relationship which is what Paul’s trust in Timothy as a leader was based on. That also lines up with Jesus’ relationship with his disciples – Jesus didn’t focus on giving them strategies but on making sure they knew him and the father through him. I liked how Pastor Benjamin summed that up when he explained that this father-son relationship is not production oriented training for ministry, but first and foremost focuses on building up mature Christians through relationship. Once that way of life is established along with trust, they can be sent out.

  354. Diana Park says:

    ​The revelation of spiritual fatherhood is an answer to a deep spiritual longing I had for a long time. I constantly experienced discrepancy between function and relationship discussed by the pastors in the documentary. I struggled in church atmospheres where I felt like I had to perform to be accepted, or felt that my skills were taken advantage of with the absence of relationship. Pastor Benjamin described it as the emphasis of “producing better performers over fully mature sons.” Words like brothers and family were tossed around, but what did it really mean to live out these relationships?

    I’m encouraged by how spiritual fatherhood shifts from “function to family – and sons no longer work for, but from acceptance and intimacy.” My love language is acts of service, and I struggled with it clashing with performance tendencies. I love how honor in the father-son relationship naturally produces service. Sons don’t need to strive or perform because what is the father’s is his own. The inheritance is an irrevocable guarantee, sealed by the blood of Christ. Everything he does is an overflow of his love for the father, not a pitiful plea to earn the father’s approval. The heart that Mary lived out and Martha failed to understand. The relational core of fathers and sons frees people to live out their destiny without fear or disappointment. I’m so thankful for this house that stewards spiritual fatherhood in a biblical way, and am excited to grow in and walk out the revelation of a sonship.

  355. I felt really blessed by this documentary because of the emphasis on having spiritual fathers. When the church lifts up men who really resemble God’s heart, they are able to lead God’s children and it allows father and son relationships to form. When people feel like they have an intimate relationship with their leaders they are more open and they feel safe and accepted. The spiritual fathers impart wisdom and guidance and it builds trust. In order for people to really grow and mature in their physical lives, as was mentioned in the video, they need a healthy role model. The same is true for our spiritual lives. We need spiritual fathers, because we are protected and guided. When we have spiritual fathers over us, we develop respect and we honor authority. I like the idea of sonship because when we go under our spiritual fathers covering, we also obtain an inheritance. Even leaders themselves need someone to pour into them. The blessings trickle down the line, when we accept sonship, we allow God to really fill our cups and allow him to work in our lives to the fullest.

  356. Grace Ng Chia Huei says:

    I understand that sonship goes beyond teaching, but also the impartation of the way of life. I think we are in a society that builds a lot of our relationship on a functional level, sometimes even in a church. Sonship changes it all. Through sonship, we learn to do things out of love for our family in Christ based on how the spiritual father loves.
    I particularly like what PE said at the end of the video about how having a father who is not just above and watching down on me, but also beneath me and lifting me up, that if I fall he is there push me up and encourage me. This shows that sonship is not just about the father monitoring the son as he is called to do certain things, but also about the role the father plays – guiding, teaching, loving, and supporting – as the sons try to make it there. What kind of relationship could possibly be greater than this? To have someone who does not just teach from where he is, but also the sharing of his heart with the person he calls Son.
    Sonship creates an intimacy that allows us to be vulnerable and honest in our current situation and to make that happen, it takes both the Son and the Father’s commitments in this covenant. It also takes humbleness and trust to be in the role of a Son. I am excited for this new journey as a Son!

  357. Rochelle Watt says:

    The statistics presented at the beginning of the video were very interesting, and definitely made me think, “if being fatherless has this much of an effect on our physical lives, how much more of an effect does it have on our spiritual lives which is even more important?” Growing up mostly in a fatherless home, I can see the effects in my own life that this situation had. It frightens me to think that being a spiritual orphan could have an even more detrimental effect, and I am so moved to really embrace sonship and have a spiritual father who I can lean on. The video mentioned that although a person may have many leaders, one spiritual father is essential. I can see the importance of this by looking at my own physical life and the fact that although I had a lot of uncles and “father figures”, not having a constant physical father was sometimes hard. Again, we have to think how much more of an effect this can have on our spiritual lives. I’m excited to be apart of a church community that embraces sonship, and one that is filled with so much intimacy and relationship. It is very true that not every church is like that and there are many pastors who do not want a father-son relationship with the church. Based on experience, the difference is very clear and the various levels of love and community are evident.

    One final thing that was interesting to learn is that even when a son becomes a father, he does not stop being a son. Even a pastor needs someone to pour into him/her as they pour into their own congregation. There is always a need to be a servant and to continue learning from a voice a wisdom and authority.

  358. Daniel Lee says:

    Christ gave the two greatest commandments on love that summed up the Scriptures: loving the LORD with all your heart and soul and mind and strength, and then loving your neighbor as yourself, but before He ascended, He gave another, for the disciples (and by extension the church) to love one another as He loved them (and loves us) – in essence, to be as Christ, the Eternal Father, for one another, birthing and raising up Sons of the Most High God. Sonship is only possible with trust in and intimacy with the Heavenly Father, Whom we know and have seen in Jesus the Son. Realizing godly sonship in a broken world requires faith, obedience, and humility, and realizing fatherhood in a broken world requires faithfulness, sacrifice, and intercessory prayer.

    Entering into a specific house that has a place and relationship with a city and a membership and leadership that are in various stages of Christlikeness is always unique and special in various ways, and brings opportunities for building up, and for being built up, with the Word lighting the way. Whatever the flavor, where else in the world will you find men gathering for the express purpose of learning patience and humility, love and kindness of heart, faithfulness and truth, but in the church? I pray that New Philadelphia Church fulfills its call and purpose and its place in the history of the saints to shine as the stars through the darkest of nights, both in Korea and far beyond these shores (Busan, represent!)

  359. Seojung Ha says:

    From my own experience, I know how important a father is in a family and how much they are needed. So when I learned God was my father, I felt safety and peace. However, through this video, my eyes were opened to another level of understanding of the father and son relationship in the Bible. Learning how intimate Paul and Timothy were, it makes me want to have the same relationship with my spiritual father.

    What stood out to me the most is that there is more than teaching in father and son relationship. There is an impartation of a way of life. Although it will take time and effort to build a relationship and build trust, I look forward to what I can receive from my spiritual father in the near future!

  360. Ryan Vogel says:

    Spiritual fatherhood is about the impartation of life towards a son of God. By having a spiritual father we are able to learn how to interpret the scriptures in every area of life. As sons we are trained and built up to be sent out into the world to makes disciples of Jesus Christ, just as we were once discipled. However, that position of sonship never leaves us. Although, Christ desires us to become spiritual fathers to others… Jesus always kept the name “Son of God”. Paul said “imitate me as I imitate Christ.”, this is the exact model we are to follow. It is biblical and proven to work. Orphanhood is not of God, He desires us to be His sons!

  361. Recently I was awakened by my wife to the fact that I don’t even have an emotional bond to my biological father. Being a father myself now, I realize that being present is only one obligatory part of the equation of fatherhood. Establishing an emotional bond is the biggest and hardest part. I am only learning how to do that now. Not with my father yet- that will be tough-but with those in my community.

    I agree that fatherhood is essential for creating strong communities. It makes sense that it is essential to create a strongly grounded Christian faith as well.

    I have never had a spiritual father before. Honestly, if someone told me he was my spiritual father my tendency would be to doubt. Who is this guy? What does he want from me? Is he in bad need of attention? But if my spiritual father is called upon by God, then I am called to follow him. My new faith has taught me this much. If I feel in my gut it is genuine, then I’m just going for it baby.

  362. Chai Kim says:

    What I have learned from this video is that a spiritual father is not only about teaching or mentoring sons, but it is about imparting a way of life by having an intimate relationship. Pastor Benjamin said that sons learn and mimic the way of life from a spiritual father; sons learn the way of how to handle the certain situations from a spiritual father. That is so true. I have learned many things in my life from my biological father. Even though I was not realizing that at those moments, I have dealt with certain situations as the way that my father has done. Even though I didn’t want to live a life as the way that my father has lived in certain areas of my life, I just naturally mimicked my father through my relationship with him. My father has imparted his way of life to me so naturally and powerfully.

    Having a spiritual father means to me is that I get imparted a way of life through an intimate relationship with him and also that I get inheritance from him. It is so exciting that I, as a son, can follow someone and be nurtured, taught, and blessed by him, in order to be more like Jesus and to be a true disciple of Jesus. At the same time, I am also excited that I will be equipped to impart a way of life to someone, eventually as a spiritual mother in my life.

  363. Dave Albano says:

    This is very exciting to listen to and watch. I have had an excellent example growing up of a father and he has been like a spiritual father to me in my community back home. But now I am part of a new community and a new season of my life and indeed desperately of guidance and nurturing.
    Being a pastors son growing up I saw the enormous need for my father to have a spiritual father to lean on. He always taught me that being accountable and guided by not just him but by other spiritual leaders is very important in fighting the battle and living for Christ.
    I feel the love of God through my leaders at church and I want to pour back into the community through the love of God flowing through me. It’s a two way street and I’m pumped for this journey!

  364. InnGee Kim says:

    I totally agree that the church needs more fathers, not more teachers. But it does make sense that the church lacks fathers. Fathering requires a lot more love and attention.

    The truth is that we all need fathers. I hope and pray that I can be a good son in New Philly so I can receive my inheritance through obedience.

    It was interesting to learn that the Orthodox and Catholic traditions have the concept of spiritual fatherhood but the Protestant tradition threw the idea out. I think the documentary is correct in pointing out that the church is going to need men becoming fathers so that the community of believers can flourish.

  365. Christine Kwon says:

    One thing that stands out to me in this documentary and in the teachings we’ve been given on sonship is the idea of inheritance, specifically the idea of inheritance as something that is supposed to be passed on over generations. It’s not something that I was familiar with before as pertaining to the house of God and the relationships among the people of God, but as one of the pastors in the video mentioned, the model is there in the Bible, especially in Paul’s writings. (Pastor Benjamin’s point about how the model has been retained in the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Church was interesting, and helped me appreciate why Protestantism seems to be so much more individualistic and uni-generational, and maybe even unconsciously averse to the idea of belonging to a bigger framework of sons and fathers spanning multiple generations).

    Looking back on my childhood experiences in the church, and my parents’ experiences as well, I wonder how different things might have been if the members of the congregation identified themselves first and foremost as sons receiving an inheritance from their father, and the pastor regarded himself not only as a father equipping his sons to receive (and later be able to pass on) their inheritance but also a son himself in need of fathering. Pastor Erin’s remark about how knowing that her husband is under sonship to a spiritual father makes her feel safer and more comfortable trusting him resonated with me, because a lot of the fears I have about the sonship model and about submission have to do with trust, and the potential for abuse of power. Thinking about what she said though, and applying it to the context of the house of God, I realized that having members and leaders who identify themselves as sons (although they might also function as fathers) actually makes me feel safer and more comfortable putting my trust in them, if that makes sense. Yes, submission to sonship is also about trusting in God, and in the leaders he has appointed, but I think it’s cool that the model itself, by design, nurtures trust instead of just demanding it. It makes sense, too, if I think about how crucial trust is to actual father-son relationships, and how both sides have to value it, build it, and protect it.

  366. Tanisha Cosby says:

    Growing up, a relationship with a father is something that I always wanted and longed for. My parents were divorced and my father then moved 13 hours away so I didn’t get to see him much. My mother re-married but my stepfather was physically and verbally abusive so I didn’t have a relationship with him either. Before giving my life to Christ, it was so hard for me to understand the concept of having a Heavenly Father who loved me unconditionally and wanted a relationship with me. It honestly took me awhile to process this because I’ve never experience it before. This video was so powerful and made me realize the importance of having spiritual fathers in the church and the importance of sonship. I was so touched when Joseph mentioned that his father was willing to live in the back house just to be close to his children. How much more does my Heavenly Father wants to be close and in relationship with me? At New Philly, we believe that the anointing flows from the top down and sonship plays such a crucial role in this. I want the inheritance and the anointing from both my Heavenly Father and my spiritual father to flow down on me!

  367. Tom Lim says:

    The fathership that takes place in NP, i initially didn’t understand fully because i came from a church that didn’t have such structure. it also stood out that there is a difference between just teaching and fathering someone. I’m used to a CEO-like pastor so watching this video, i learned that Paul was not a CEO or function focused leader. He put value on relations instead of functional aspect. It actually is almost a strange concept because i’m so not used to it. I never saw church leaders as a father figure, it has always been like a boss at work. I now know to value such relationship-based relationship and also to imitate such lifestyle myself to father the spiritually fatherless.

  368. At the beginning I was quite upset with the usage of the word “sonship” thinking what? a daughter is not good enough? but as i was watching the documentary I began to realise that it also applied to the daughters and that i also have the inheritance.

    i think it is so important to realise that we have more than enough teachers and disciplinarians..what we need more is parents who will guide us through this world…

    but also i felt that we need to recognise that parents were also once sons and daughters….meaning that even when you become a father (a guardian) you will always need a father.

    the job, the work, the duty..they will never end but they will also be fulfilling because they will be in the circle of covenant.

    i really appreciated this because i have always felt that even though my parents are good christians but they were not really my spiritual guardians…i will also try to become a father to the fatherless…as it is one of our core values…

    i am not perfect in my ways and i will mess things up because of my work..but i am glad that i am trying the NRTC.

    praise the Lord!

  369. Jason Jung says:

    Growing up in a Korean Presbyterian church my whole life, I was always taught to listen to my pastors and to learn from them, but there was always an implied sense of division between them and myself. The concept of a spiritual father is very foreign to me as it focuses more on the relational aspect instead of solely being guided and taught from wisdom and truth. This video helped me to appreciate the importance of having a spiritual father and the numerous biblical references of Paul and his act of fathership helped me to realize that this culture should be an important foundation of all churches. I am excited to become a leader and start building my relationship with my spiritual father and mother at NP.

  370. Jessica Jin says:

    The concept of a “spiritual father” and being in “sonship” was a fairly new concept to me and through my spiritual journey and where I am right now, I have realised how much of an impact our earthly fathers have on our relationship with Christ. I love the idea that through the gospel I can have a spiritual Father and be in sonship and be covered by the Church. I see it in my personal life and through the relationships around me that we NEED Fathers. We need spiritual covering and guidance through teaching, time, submitting to spiritual authority and being open and willing to be completely transparent with your Spiritual father.

  371. Alyssa Fung says:

    I grew up in a non-Christian background. The idea of having a spiritual father was foreign to me. Having been in New Philly for 2 years now, I’ve come to slowly understand what it means to have a spiritual father. Submission and intimacy are important in a spiritual father and son relationship. Submission used to be something I found very difficult to do. However, in the past years with New Philly, I have learnt what it means to submit to authority. We never grow out of the need to be a son. Like the video mentioned, it is important to know how to be a son in order to be a father. It is important to build relationships with the people around us, creating greater intimacy, thus experiencing the sonship of God through church.

  372. Danny Fung says:

    This video really highlighted to me that Sonship is more than the concept of our inheritance as Christians. The message highlights that as leaders of the house, Sonship goes beyond teaching and your knowledge of the Bible. As leaders we need to impart not only spiritual information but a way of life.

    It was really good to hear that as Christians we all yearn for a spiritual farther. We long for someone who can share both the teaching of the Bible and also the heart behind the Word. Hearing that we never grow out of a need to be a Son and hearing that even pastors need spiritual fathers was a concept that was foreign to me.

    The Christian walk cannot be done alone and this video highlighted the importance of building relationships within the congregation as Sons. The congregation is a family and if it was purely based on spiritual teachings alone there would be no intimacy.

    This video highlights the need for my need for a Spiritual Father and to experience Sonship through greater intimacy.

  373. Grace Lee says:

    Although I was brought up in a christian family, this is the first time I’ve heard of the concept “sonship”. As I think back during the times I attended Sunday school, it felt like more of a top-down approach, lacking intimacy and speaking down to the people of the church. They’d lay down the rules and guidelines of what it is to be a Christian and that if we don’t follow them, then we’re not a “good” Christian and in our own time we should pray to God, repent, and ask for forgiveness; a very conservative way of spiritual living I might say. Watching this doco has shown me that a church needs to go beyond this conservatism and have the concept of sonship to be able to really open up to one another, have more intimacy in order to truly grow spiritually, and be able to have a spiritual father relationship exist in our lives to help push us from behind rather than giving what seems like “orders” to grow in faith. I truly believe sonship is something that is critical, especially in our generation where it’s so easy to go astray and fall into all kinds of worldly temptations that are blatantly staring at us in the face. Just as our biological parents have been there to guide us, protect us, and grow physically, it makes sense that we also need spiritual fathers in our lives to help guide us, protect us and help us grow spiritually.

  374. Yong Chan Kim says:

    Prior to joining New Philly Church, I was always striving to build intimacy with God on my own. I knew my spiritual walk required fellowship with fellow church members, leaders and pastors but the concept of ‘sonship’ was unfamiliar to me. When I was experiencing a prolonged period of dry season, I found myself yearning for a church with a strong sense of community as I believed that this would help me to not feel like a ‘spiritual orphan.’
    I’ve been a Christian since birth and I’ve always been involved at church but I’ve never experienced a church like NPC where a sense of community was so strong. I thought I found my home and my family and I felt like I was definitely able to grow spiritually.
    But over a course of time, I realised that I wasn’t getting closer to God but felt even more distant, seeing how close other members of church seemed to God.
    Although I wasn’t aware of the concept of ‘sonship’ until I watched this documentary, over the course of 12 month or so, I was beginning to understand and hear God’s voice more and more. Now I know that my spiritual growth was due to the fact that I had accepted to receive and be nurtured by leaders as a son and I’ve viewed them as my spiritual father.

  375. Sooji Kim says:

    Growing up as pastor’s kid since being born, my dad was both my biological and spiritual father. But my dad having the two roles in my life there were conflicts when I felt that my dad’s actions at home was different to what I thought a pastor should, or sometimes I couldn’t share certain things with my spiritual father because he is my biological father. Although I am in a loving relationship with my father, I have always felt a distance at the concept of spiritual father. My dad also being a PK, he may have found it difficult to ask someone else to be his spiritual father also. I realise again how important it is to have spiritual fathers, also to the pastors and spiritual leaders.

    Through this video and learning about sonship, I value the importance of a spiritual father, and excited and thankful to be part of a community with such loving and anointed spiritual parents. Although the concept of sonship is still new to me, I am excited to become a leader at NP and build relationship with my spiritual father and mother.

  376. Young Cho says:

    This documentary allowed to me grasp the importance of one of the NP core values “Father the Fatherless”. I come from a very loving and supportive family who provided and taught me the way in life, but I realised my relationship with my own father gradually became very distant as I grew older. I couldn’t connect with him on a spiritual level as he is not yet a Christian. For all these years I’ve been praying for my dad however never had the courage to talk about God’s love for him and evangelise within our household. I started attending church at the age of 13 and was saved at 14 years old and church has always been my second home ever since. I’ve always considered church Pastors and leaders, as ‘teachers’ rather than as a spiritual fathers. I felt that if I was taught the knowledge from a pastor and received love and support from my biological father, the emptiness in our relationship was fulfilled. After attending NPC I realised that I haven’t truly accepted God’s fatherless love in the past until that love was generously poured out by leaders and pastors of our church. The concept of ‘sonship’ was very new to me and I first heard it while attending NPC. I started to yearn for more intimacy in my relationship with God through membership program and God was shaking me in every way possible so that my faith was reaching new levels. felt that through this documentary God was reassuring me that I am no longer a spiritual orphan and that I am a true son of His Kingdom. I pray that one day I may become the spiritual father to His people as I faithfully walk in his way!

  377. Mike Oh says:

    This documentary was a great reminder of my journey in entering into sonship with a spiritual dad. A reminder of the power that is within this kind of relationship, that can really propel a person’s trajectory into the things of God in a way that is critical and cannot be found another way.
    In my life, I am convinced that God was committed to ensuring that I was not lacking in any area in regards to a father. This is why when I left home, God found me a spiritual dad, as well as my natural one. One who was committed to me, and I to him. And as the documentary laid out, it was because we were both fully committed to this relationship that it flourished to its full potential. Vulnerability, humility, honesty, teachability, honour, respect, and a genuine love is what was present and allowed me to learn to live out my faith as my spiritual dad did.The fruit of this relationship can be seen in the transformation in my life in key areas such as identity and leadership. And this relationship is still there today, and will remain. I cannot imagine the last decade of my life without this, and am thankful in the beauty that it brings not only in my life but to other’s as well.

  378. Michael Kang says:

    I’ve heard the concept of Sonship floated around church for many years now and this video simplifies the importance and priority it holds within the church body. For so many years, I’ve fought my own battles, tried to grow on my own and live feeling that I need to fend for myself. I’m not sure why this way of life has been so engrained within me but from a very young age – I learnt I couldn’t trust anyone but myself to complete tasks and achieve goals. I have had many older brothers and leaders at church try invest into my development, not only as a leader but as a man – and in most circumstances it was through my own self doing that saw those relationships crumble to nothing.

    The key reminder here was that Jesus did everything as a son. As much as He could do all things on His own, He did it all knowing that He was fully covered by the Father.

    I’m convinced that God has called me to this house, not just to serve and lead – but to learn this key principle of sonship, not only for myself – but for those that God has placed around me to influence and impact.

    I’ve been so refreshed and renewed through the intimacy I’ve felt and found through membership; this opportunity to grow deeper in that intimacy not only through my church community but through my own family is one not to be missed now.

  379. Ujin Lee says:

    What stood out to me strongly was that there are so many bible studies and seminars and mentors, trying to revive and carry on the church but what is missing is fatherhood. This video really recaptured for me the crucial need of fathers in one’s spiritual walk. Just like what Pastor Daniels said, noone can ever grow out of the need for being a son. and that even Jesus, He did all of His ministries whilst being a son. I am so grateful to be a part of a church family that values this; who have desires to pass on and impart as fathers but also sons and daughters who desire to learn and soak in the impartation and walk out as sons. To have a spirit of a son, where the house is mine, and serving comes out of knowing the fathers heart and carrying out his heart.

  380. Shannon Chien says:

    I really enjoyed this video, particularly when Pastor Erin spoke on what it means to be a daughter (as a female) who is also a son. The concept of inheritance never really played a huge role in my Christian walk before, as I generally focused more on the “saved by grace” and “new mercies every day” portion of my relationship with God. However, knowing that I get to partake in a tangible, powerful inheritance as a son of the Most High is such a game changer. This means that the blessings carried forth from His words can also be passed down from me. Knowing this, it makes the necessity of a spiritual father all the more imperative. Without a spiritual father, then there is no role model or family leader to strengthen, guide, and disciple the next generation. If I want to partake in all the rights of sonship, then I must be willing to submit to my spiritual father.

  381. Sooky Park says:

    Fatherlessness. It’s amazing how it has become the “norm” in so many churches, to not have a spiritual father.
    Joseph mentioned “just [a father] being with [a son]”…sometimes all we need is someone to be there, whether it be a spiritual or natural father.
    It’s amazing that spiritual fathers and mothers wait for God to speak into their sons’ lives instead of forcing their views on them.
    I was “poured into” by an upperclassman in college. She loved on me and was a spiritual mother to me. Undoubtedly these were the greatest years of my life and I will never forget them, because she modeled Jesus to me, and I formed a personal relationship with Christ through her.
    I want to learn the way of life at New Philly.
    It is so true that if you grow up without a father’s presence and an authoritative figure tells you not to do something, it feels like they’re holding you back. And this reflects on your view of God, that He won’t let you do what you want to do.
    It’s not easy to trust a structure of authority of men that God has built up.
    It’s true that everyone needs to be fathered.
    It was shocking to learn/hear that discipling/training is not equal to fathering (especially because it is construed as the same thing in many Korean churches, or the concept of fathering is dismissed altogether). This made me want to pray for the Korean Church as a body.
    “Success to Paul is somebody like Timothy” really hit home.
    Pastor Erin mentioned feeling safe to fail and it resonated with me. That fathers would help you back up when you fall.
    Men need to become fathers.

  382. Ella Radwan says:

    This is by far the most difficult entry I’ve had to write. I’ve deleted my sentences over 10 times and am trying to figure out why. Perhaps it is because talking about a FATHER is…. tough. As a child I had a well structured family and was crazy about my dad. After my parents went through a -long, traumatic, 10 year long process- divorce, my dad was never the same. In fact, he rejected his kids and never set good examples to us. I felt frustrated for so long, specially because I didn’t have that man figure, that protection, that person who I should look up to and learn from. This is my natural father.
    When I came to Jesus a couple of years ago, I was constantly reminded of how He is my father. Our natural father might abandon us, but He never will. I had a spiritual father in Brazil, but it wasn’t as intense or as valued as it seems to be here in NP. Perhaps there just wasn’t enough time… I have heard sermons on spiritual fathers, and before coming to Korea he told me they weren’t raising me for the church itself, but for the world.
    Having a spiritual father here in Korea is definitely something I am looking to, and I cant help but smile when thinking about it. I trust God with the leadership he is (on the process of) putting in my life.
    The video also made me think about how many Christians walk without a church, a spiritual family, a spiritual father. Like it was said, many churches sound more like a business organization, where the pastor is the C.E.O., where most people (if not all) are in need of a father. Father the fatherless.

  383. Jonathan Yoo says:

    When I first came to New Philly one year ago and heard PC talk about how Pastor Benjamin was his spiritual father, I honestly felt like something was fishy about this church. “Spiritual father? God is my spiritual father, no one else” was what I thought and what I was taught. Even after watching this video and listening to the explanation with Biblical support, it is still a concept that seems a little bit foreign to me within Christianity because I never heard about it during my 20+ years of attending church; the concept of another human being being a a spiritual father to another person. However, it did help me to understand the value and how necessary it is to be spiritual sons to who God has ordained over me in the church. “Sonship is the impartation of a way of life” is what stood out to me.

  384. Sarah Al Homadi says:

    Spiritual father – it’s like a missing piece of a puzzle being set into place. I realize my Christian walk has been made so much harder by its absence. It is my prayer that at NP we continue to raise up men and women of character and integrity. I also pray that our apostolic leaders would be free from repetative administrative tasks to have more time focus on discipleship and spiritual parenthood. Yes!

  385. Lydia Park says:

    I’ve heard the term “sonship” used often at New Philly but it wasn’t a term I had heard a lot prior to coming to NP. But this documentary illustrated a clear picture of what sonship looks like and the relationship Jesus had with his disciples as well as the relationship Paul had with Thomas. A relationship that is marked with nurture, intimacy, great trust, and love.

    It’s comforting to know that the head pastors at this church are covered by a spiritual father and that they are being nurtured and supported. Growing up as a pastor’s kid, I’ve seen first-hand how pastors struggle too and how they are just as human as we are. But when the pastor is not in a spiritual “father-son” relationship, it has a tendency to effect the ministry and the people that he/she is shepherding. However, it is reassuring to know that that is not the case at NP and that I can partake in that sonship and receive the blessing that flows from top-down.

  386. Dean Legomina says:

    Understanding of spiritual fathership shifts the atmosphere in the church to family-like congregation. Pastors and leaders have the attitude of fathers operating in love and responcibility and congregation, including leaders and even pastors themselves are being sons to theit spiritual parents, being accountable and submissive to higher authority. Understanding father’s heart behind leaders guidance makes it easier to receive correction or even discipline. Immitating spiritual fathers way of life will bring release of blessings that they walk in.
    My thoughts:
    I didnt see much difference between discipleship and spiritual fathership. I couldnt see extra blessings that sons would have comparing to disciples. However there is undeniable family like atmosphere in NP which makes people feel accepted and uncondemned. Also seeing yourself as a son of a local church creates the feeling of belonging and unity.

  387. Benjamin Jung says:

    I’m super blessed by the heart behind this video.

    It was great to see the power of Sonship and Spiritual Fatherhood represented in this video. Growing up with a highly Reformed, conservative background, these two topics were never really addressed in my church, nor in my family. It wasn’t until I arrived in Korea in 2010 and met people at New Philly, that I first heard of these terms used in the modern day church.

    I especially love the part when P. Robert Daniels explained how fatherhood and sonship are connected; that Jesus had the covering and authority of the Father, but he moved in submission and obedience as a Son. Once we are Sons, we will always be sons, regardless of how old we get or how much we’ve experienced in life and in ministry.

  388. Yelynn Ho says:

    We love because our Father in Heaven first loved us. Likewise, a child learns how to love through the relationship shared with his/her father. I could easily tie these two together, but for some reason I could never make the connection between needing God and needing a “spiritual father.” Without taking the time to fully understand what it means, I raised a lot of doubts and skepticism towards the idea of it, but watching this documentary has corrected me of my misbeliefs. I realize that the roles of a spiritual father is exactly like those of our earthly fathers: to nurture, to teach, and to lead by example, and just how essential that kind of relationship is to the church community, too. I guess the fact that not only me but a lot of fellow brothers and sisters fail to understand the need for this kind of bond between the pastor and the church speaks volumes about our church generation. I really liked what Pastor Erin said about having a Father who’s not just above us and looking down on us, but also beneath us to lift us up. Same could be said in regards to sonship.. how being a pastor, or spiritual father, isn’t simply to be the head of the church but also a servant like Christ. As mentioned in the video, I think it’s so important to note that it really does go both ways; while the pastor is responsible for cultivating this kind of nurturing father-son relationship, the church is just as responsible for seeking this kind of vulnerable intimacy. Church is a home for the broken and having this kind of familial bond is what completely allows God’s healing and unifying love to take place.

  389. The concept of sonship is something I experienced in the past, but never really had a name attached to it. One could say that it came accidentally. However, in recent months and years, I have learned a lot more about becoming a son of the house, being under one spiritual father.

    Acknowledging the spiritual sonship and the necessity of a spiritual father is vital for truly understanding what God is talking about. A spiritual father is needed for guidance in our walk of faith. Without that guidance, without that father’s correcting, we start entertaining and feeding on strange doctrines. It isn’t just teaching, nor just a relational issue, but it is a deep understanding of the culture of being a son of God, a joint heir with Christ. To quote Billy Joel, “It’s always been a matter of trust.”

    I learned a lot more in watching this video a second time, and I got out of it that no natter where you are, if you are to be effective in the faith, you need to have a spiritual father speaking ovee and into your life. It is just that simple.

  390. Hannah Lee says:

    From the first few weeks I attended at New Philly until now, the word son, sonship, father, spiritual was repeated numerous times. It is something I feel like I had always longed for but wasn’t sure of what or how it looked like in a spiritual setting. I grew up with a loving father as a pastor’s daughter, so I believed that was enough. But as I grew up, I realized, I was searching for something more, someone else who could guide me, nurture me, trust me, and disciple me. Then, I met my spiritual mother over ten years ago, and that’s when I realized that someone else outside my parents, could do that. Without her constant wisdom and love, I know my life would be in a completely different state now. I believe most of the world is yearning for fathers and mothers, whether it be a birth or spiritual parent, but aren’t always aware of it. Like it was stated, the church isn’t lacking more conferences, teachers, pastors, or etc, it is lacking fathers. I am praying for the church to rise up and raise whole, healthy fathers to help father this generation and onward.

  391. Kasey JooHyang Lee says:

    Spiritual sonship is a concept that I always heard of but never really knew what it meant or how it functions. This video explains sonship and how it works really well. Sonship is not just talking about the Bible. It is about love, intimacy, way of life, and teaching. A son is to imitate his father. Sonship always involves trusting and submitting to the authority/the spiritual father
    Growing up as a missionary and pastor’s kid, I saw how pastors pour out but at the same time get dried up or burned out. Come to think of it now, this burning out might have been due to lack of spiritual fathers. It is great to know that NP pastors are being spiritual fathers for the sons and daughters of the church while they also have spiritual fathers.
    Spiritual father and sonship is still a little foreign to me. I haven’t seen it happen or experienced it. However, while watching the video I realized I was always yearning for a spiritual father to whom I can go and ask for guidance.

  392. Yoomin Lee says:

    What a priviledge it is to be able to be called our almight God Abba Father! And for us to also be more tangibly fathered by our pastors. But growing up in the church, the extent of my understanding of the church as the spiritual family…with our fellow brothers and sisters in the body of Christ, serving a spiritual leader, but not a father. What really stood out in the video was that as sons, we are imparted with a way of life by our spiritual father, not just doctrine and teaching. And that my role in the church is really not just a functional one, but in the dynamics of a relational family.

  393. Lexie Okosa says:

    Sonship, I’m all for it. I love the idea of being known. When you walk into the house of your father you could never be anonymous . I am so used to my presence at a church being inconsequential, whether I show up or don’t show up doesn’t really effect the house. But in my eart hey father’s house my absence is felt. When I finally come home I have to answer to my father about where I have been and what I was thinking when I decided to be gone so long. I can’t give my father some superficial answer.he will command me to be forthright . Having a spiritual fathere has the same kind of covering.even when I want to be rebellious and have control over my own life my father doesn’t stop fighting me until he teaches me the good thing I need to grow. That’s what I look forward to from participation in the house of new philly

  394. Aaron Krumsieg says:

    As I watched the video and have been thinking about the concept of spiritual sonship lately, I was thinking that I have never had a formal spiritual mentorship as is described. Then I came to the realization that my father has intentionally and faithfully spoken into my life as my spiritual father. Both he and my mom have been very faithful in naturally encouraging, but not forcing, my spiritual development. As I think about this, I am very grateful for their spiritual leadership in my life.

    But I also get the impression that it is important to commit to a spiritual father outside of one’s family. In this way, God can use this relationship to encourage spiritual development from a fresh angle that is independent of the predispositions and assumptions that are inherent with immediate family. The main obstacle I see that prevents me from finding and committing to a spiritual father is the transient nature of the young adult life. I feel that it is challenging to find that sort of serious spiritual relationship when I haven’t lived in one place for more than a couple years since leaving high school. However, with this fresh awareness of the need for a spiritual father, I will move forward in prayer and with confidence that God will guide me into the right long-term spiritual mentorship in His perfect timing.

  395. Emily Lee says:

    Through my own experience with my spiritual mentor, I’ve come to realize how important it is in Christian life to be under a proper covering. At the same time, I’ve also come to recongnize that how this concept of spiritual covering is so neglected and even denied from modern day Christians. Regardless of what that reason of neglection or denial might be, it is very refreshing and even relieving to know that some people are actually working towards spreading the importance of Sonship to the church communities around the world. Furthermore, the video helped me to get a deeper understand on what a spiritual father & son relationship looks like. As it is said, Spiritual sons not only have an intimate relationship with their spiritual fathers but also get impartation on the way of their lives/spirituality. The idea particularly stood out and made so much sense to me in a way that it is just like biological sons taking after their fathers.

  396. Chadol Lee says:

    I feel blessed knowing that we have a spiritual father and mother of this house. Also knowing that our senior pastors are also under sonship. After being exposed to these things it would seem crazy not to have these type of coverings under every church. Throughout my christian walk I have been a spiritual orphan, but now being under covering i’m able to feel comfort, safety and stability. I’m excited to see what inheritance I can receive being a son in this house.

  397. I first watched this video in 2012. I did not understand it then, even after watching it multiple times. It was all new and I didn’t understand what that it meant for my relationship to the church. It wasn’t until I actually experienced, first-hand, the covering that comes from being a son. For so long, I had been a spiritual orphan, looking to many voices to speak wisdom into my life, giving none of them my full honour and submission as a son. I was looking for teachers, not for a father. However, sonship changes everything. Not only does it provide covering, it manifests our relationship to God the father. Before we are servants, before we are functional, we are sons. We belong to him, are loved by him, and nothing shakes that. Being a son (first, before a servant) of New Philly has changed the way I serve and receive from the church. I can honour and submit to the authority given to my spiritual mama and papa knowing that they are also underling covering. In sonship, there is an inheritance.

  398. Jayden Choi says:

    When I had grown up in my home church, I didn’t felt like I don’t need a spiritual leader and father in my christian life. But thinking now, If I had a spiritual father, I would have far more been mature christian than now.
    Spiritual father based in Love is so important to Christian and Church. We(Church) as body of christ need to grow up. If we don’t have any spiritual relationship, it is like stagnant water with no development. In that point, I feel so thanksful to New philly.
    This church centered PC and PE highlights spiritual sonship. First, I thank to the Lord for bringing me here New philly and I thank to the spiritual father and mather PC and PE for giving an opportunaity to grow up more as christian..!!!

  399. Janice So says:

    It is fascinating through the video to hear highlighted biblically, how sonship is integral to the Christian life. My favourite point was that Jesus did His ministry as a Son. And between Paul and Timothy, there was also a spiritual father and son relationship. As Paul said “imitate me, as I imitate Christ”.
    And it is true today in the Church, what Paul wrote “for though you have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet you have not many fathers” (1 Cor4:15). I praise God that through New Philly we have our spiritual father and mother PC and PE, and through them Pastor Emily and David in Melbourne.
    Just as Paul sent Timothy to remind the Corinthians of his way of life, just as Pastor Benjamin Robinson shared, the son carries the father’s heart, and does and solves problems the way his father would. Another key emphasis in the video for me, was that sonship isn’t just about receiving teaching, but it’s about relationship and intimacy and trust – sharing life transparently and openly.
    One new point I learnt, was that sons need to be sent out by their father when they are ready. This is where the trust in the relationship comes in, and avoids the pitfalls when someone leaves to do ministry without being sent.

  400. Niranjan Thomas says:

    Watching this video I was reminded of an event in my life that changed the way I saw my own father. When I was 9 or 10 years old, our family went on a trip to India to visit my dad’s family. At that time I did not really know my dad’s half of the family that well and it was probably the first time I was conscious of meeting them. One thing that made an impact on me was seeing my dad and his brothers (my uncles) sitting at a table with their father (my grandfather or as I called him Tha-tha). I was amazed that despite all being full grown men and having families of their own, they were still sons who looked up to their father the same way I looked up to mine. It made me see my father in a different light, but also made me realise how powerful this type of relationship is.

    I’m reminded of the love my father has given me; the guidance and teaching I have received; the discipline that was given when needed and the time we spent together. But much more that this, my dad is my example of what it means to be a man. People tell me that when I was really young and they would ask me what I wanted to be when I grew up, I’d always say I wanted to be like my father.

    Reflecting on this in a spiritual context, it makes perfect sense that the spiritual father of a church community should ‘pour into’ their sons the love, teaching and guidance that is needed for the son to grow strong in the faith. But on a deeper level, the relationship that the son has with their spiritual father is one of shared intimacy and trust. Of nurturing the son to live a way of life that is imparted from the father. This is shown so well in Paul’s letters to Timothy and Titus.

    Part of the reason I’m undertaking the NRTC course is that I want to serve more. Previously for me that just meant going up to a ministry leader and telling them that I’m available to do what I’m good at. The problem was that I always ended up being burnt out and resenting the ministry I thought I was called to. After seeing this documentary I can see the importance of being ‘sent out’ by a spiritual father based on mutual trust that comes from the father-son relationship.

    The point was raised about the apparent short fall of the Reformation in down playing the spiritual father-son dynamic. I suppose that we should be wary not substitute or even make idols of our spiritual fathers over Jesus and this may have been the purpose in the Protestant church. However, I believe the chain of accountability from a spiritual father to a son and from that son to their son (all being bound in scripture and God’s grace) will protect all within the church community.

  401. Eun Woo Hailey Park says:

    From previous educational classes taken during my university year, I have learned the importance and positive effects that comes out from a father who is present at home. As explained in the video, there is a big correlation between fatherlessness and crime, street gangs and depression.
    However I did not know that this theory could be applied in a church setting.

    The aspect of sonship in a church was fairly a new concept for me. I thought church was a building where people came together to hear the teaching, pray, and then go back to their individual life. I felt people did not want others to see their flaws, therefore, built a fence so that other people may not see the nasty sides of their life. People often had two faces, including my family, where we had to act a certain way at church compare to how we were outside the church building. As I grew up, I knew it was important to open up and share my struggles to my leaders in order to live a more Christ-like life… but it’s only after joining New Philly that I understand the concept on sonship more and more.

    I hope to understand this concept more deeply as I do life with this community and build a stronger relationship with my pastors. God wants us to live our life to it’s fullest. And it starts when we understand the concept of sonship.

  402. You Sup Joseph Park says:

    The concept of sonship was something I was aware of before I stepped into NP community and it is really good to know that NP has the same focus on being a son and serving from the position of a son. The documentary re-confirmed to me that knowing to be a son is one of the most important aspect of walking the Christian life, and yet so many identify themselves as only the servant who serves the master. As I was watching the documentary, I truly felt the conviction in my heart to pray and help my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ to understand this identity to live it out and testify the Father’s will during their lifetime.

  403. Nahee Kim says:

    Although my father is and has always been present in my life and loves me with all his heart, I have always felt an emptiness and a void that was unable to be filled.

    Growing up in a church, I was told that the church is your spiritual family and that everyone is your spiritual brother or sister however I did not fully grasp this idea of “family,” “spiritual fathers” or “sonship” until I started to attend New Philadelphia Church.
    This documentary has allowed me to see that every Christian needs a father-son relationship that is not just functional but relational and intimate which then allows us to fully mature into a son. I love that the leaders and the pastors are vulnerable, transparent and want to create intentional, loving relationships with every member of the church. This has truly filled the void in my heart and helped me to finally grasp what it means to have a spiritual family.
    I’m someone who is used to doing things on my own, however allowing leaders/spiritual fathers to speak into my life has led me to understand what it truly means to be a son within a covenant family and has stirred a much greater hunger in my heart for this kind of relationship.

    I am excited to be a part of a church which embodies and reflects God’s heart to restore sonship in the church.

  404. Michael Chan says:

    Watching the video made me think alot about my natural father, and how whether positively or negatively, he has no doubt, influenced my life.

    In the past, I had the mindset that at church, we are brothers and sisters of Christ. And that is correct. However, I never was taught or viewed myself to be a son within the church family. This shows that I have been a spiritual orphan all along, one that has withheld myself from being intimate, transparent and relational with my church family. Now knowing that there is a spiritual father covering over our covenant family at NPSydney, I feel that we can be vulnerable with each other and truly be a family within church. We are not only family in the universal church, but we are a true family within our visible local church. Understanding this father-son relationship stirs up my heart to dig deeper relationally with my spiritual family.

  405. James Kang says:

    Sonship is no doubt a new concept that was introduced to me when I first joined new philly. While I was watching the video, I realised that sonship still felt quite foreign to me, yet there was also a burning desire within me to be a true son, both of God, the house and my spiritual father.

    Then my mind naturally came to the question: Who is my spiritual father? who will invest into my life in such way that I can develop a relationship of intimacy and trust so that I will not only imitate his spiritual teachings but also to live life like him?

    I then realised that before asking this question, my heart had to be ready to be vulnerable to submission to a spiritual father. Being a strong headed individual, I always found it difficult to submit to things that I could not understand or clearly disagreed with.

    Understanding that deeper connection and spiritual growth is with spiritual sonship and family, my heart is ready to submit as a spiritual son. I pray that God will open up my heart fully to allow my spiritual father to speak into my life.

  406. I heard about the concept of sonship when I had first attended New Philadelphia Church. It resonates with me because I still struggle with it. Oftentimes I still feel spiritually orphaned because of my transition to New Philly from my previous church and a period of isolation I had with the church in general. But seeing this video has reminded me that that’s normal because it is an ongoing issue and we’ve only started making amends.
    I don’t have a strong relationship with my own father and I think this has subconsciously influenced and skewed the way I viewed God, and my spiritual father figures. I’ve been reminded of how important the relationship between fathers and daughters are recently, and I think I’ve slowly embarked on a journey to recover it.
    I pray that I will no longer live in the orphan spirit, and that I will be able to walk in the spirit of sonship, knowing that I am God’s daughter and that I have his inheritance, and that I am also under the care of my spiritual father figures at New Philly, and that my own father is always there for me too.
    I also pray that I’ll be able to mature and grow to become someone who can be like a spiritual father so that I can help amend this epidemic in someway.

  407. Jasmine Renee Womack says:

    When I first decided to drop from such a great school in the states and come here, people were supportive in a way(though reluctantly, as they could not see why I would leave to go to a school they never heard of in Korea) but I never had a spiritual father to give me spiritual guidance and encouragement. One thing that really disappointed me is that when I opened up to people, even on facebook about things not working out at certain point, people were like “oh it’s okay. we can watch movies when you come back!”, and things along those lines. However, no one poured into me any wisdom or genuine interest. I’m realizing now that it is because those were not the correct people to be my spiritual father. One important thing that struck my heart from this video was that we need to be poured into by a spiritual father. This is a person that can guide us, and send us off trusting in God and providing the necessary spiritual tools and encouragement. We need someone to learn from so that we can eventually pour into others who will become our sons. The role of a spiritual father is so important, because people will see their way of life and belief in the way we conduct ourselves and pour into others. I did not realize that the reason I felt empty and not poured into, was because I was spiritually orphaned. Since moving to Korea, thought it started out so terrible and lonely, I honestly feel happy and full these days after attending New Philly. I’ve been smiling so much knowing that I am being well-equipped as a son, and that I am finding my purpose and developing as a disciple and son. This video has allowed me to understand this and I will be ready to grow in the ministry as a teachable son!

  408. I was blessed and humbled to see that I am not alone as a victim of fatherlessness and throughout the video I was able to understand the importance of us having this relationship in our lives. In my case, I grew up with my father but not with my mother because they got separated when I was 10 years old. However, even with my father being physically present, I hardly would say that he ever tried to discipline, teach, or instruct me. As a result, I feel like I grew up a lot confused and numb to reality, and that created a very strong rebellious feeling inside me where I would only blame my parents for everything I have eventually become.

    Pastor Benjamin highlighted Paul-Timothy’s and the rabbi-apprentice’s relationship to support his argument over the concept of sonship. As Timothy becoming an extension of Paul, just as a son should be. And that was a true shift of paradigm in terms of the importance of entrusting our selves in obedience and submission to our spiritual father.

    I feel greatly encouraged and happy to have understood the existence of this concept.

  409. Having grown up with an absent natural father, I had to deconstruct my preconceptions of a father in order to fully understand (and experience) this documentary. I was floored by some of the revelations I unraveled through watching this documentary.
    I think what simultaneously astounded and challenged me was P. Benjamin’s explanation that sonship is not just information-giving, but an “impartation of a way of life.” This made me consider Paul’s ministry (as mentioned in the video) and my own understanding of the church, and I realized that, like PC and P. Benjamin mentioned towards the end, I had seen the church as a functional institution rather than a familial gathering. I’d always assumed the pastor was there to merely teach (and hope for the best). And while I’m an extremely relational being myself, I’d never considered the relational aspects emphasized from the pulpit.
    This explains why, even among my peers, there is such strong rebellion against the church when there isn’t strong sonship present within it. I agreed with the pastors who mentioned fatherless churches creating individualists who apply the teachings if necessary rather than submitting to the father-son relationship. I see this in my friends and myself from time to time when I perceive my pastor to be just a teacher rather than a spiritual father. But in sonship, I’m understanding that I have a role to play as a son, because this is a relationship, and relationships usually take two people. As the father is expected to teach and mold his son’s way of life, the son is expected to submit and be transparent. But this is all grounded in Love.
    I realize, through this documentary, that this is how multigenerational churches are solidified and can stay rooted in God’s greatest purpose in our salvations: to have a relationship with us.

  410. Sally Lee says:

    While watching this video, I realized how blessed I was for having a spiritual father in back in New Zealand, but the unfortunate thing was that I did not realize that he was my spiritual father, because I wasn’t aware of the whole ‘Sonship’ idea, and to be honest. Even if I knew back then that he was my spiritual father, I wouldn’t have opened up to him for guidance, because I did not like to be controlled by other people. I think this sprouted from being raised under a very controlling mother. I’ve learnt to alter my views from thinking spiritual fathers are useless and they’re there to control my life, to thinking how crucial they are in the process of transforming and molding me into a Son of God.

    I started off with feeling ashamed of my actions in the past while watching the documentary, and it ended with guilt and regret. I used to have that ‘it’s my relationship with God, so no one has the right to intervene’ ‘who are you to tell me what to do’ attitude and this documentary really hit me hard about the importance of having a spiritual father in my life and trusting that he will be there to support and lead me to the right direction.

    I was never familiar with the idea that fathers are loving and caring, as it was something that I never got to experience while growing up. When I saw the father being so passionate in being a part of his son’s life, I had a wake up call on how passionate God was in wanting to be a part of my life. Like what Pastor Erin said in the documentary, we are all Sons of God and can receive the inheritance, but to do so, I will need to learn and apply the qualities of a REAL Son of God in order to save myself from becoming a spiritual orphan.

  411. Benjamin Wong says:

    We are currently living in a fatherless generation, not only in society but also in the Church.
    Where in the world, we require fathers, in the Church we require Spiritual Fathers, the Church is not lacking in leaders and resources, but we are lacking in Spiritual Fathers.
    The Church is the household of God, a family, and a father is the head of the family, when we lack Spiritual Fathers in the Church community, the community is lacking the head of the family.
    Every father is also a son, and the role of the father is to impart a way of life to their sons, showing them how the Scripture can be demonstrated in every part of one’s life; and the role of the son is to learn from the father, to allow the father to speak into their lives as an authoritative central voice. The actions of the son should manifest the father.
    Just as Jesus came to earth as a son, He said that whoever has seen Him has seen the Father, Jesus manifests God His Father as God’s Son. His actions, His teachings, His way of life, all manifests God.
    So sonship is important, because as sons we are striving to manifest our spiritual fathers, and our spiritual fathers have this intimacy with us, and as a result, our Church has unity and strength, and intimacy. Jesus walked the earth in sonship, manifesting His Father to His sons(His disciples), turning His Fathers heart to His Sons, and in turn the Sons turn their hearts to their Father. It is an never ending cycle of love, care, and intimacy that is currently lacking both in the world and the Church.

  412. Gavin Yoon says:

    Few years ago, meeting my ex girlfriend’s mom for the first time she asked me about my relationship with my father. I was just dumbfounded. I didn’t get why she would ask something like that back then. This is a real heavy subject personally. Both from a son and a future father’s perspective.
    Because, growing up in Singapore away from my father and my father being the real typical Korean father that he is, I did not have a father figure in my early part of my life really. During my high school years my dad’s business went bankrupted and couldn’t support our family financially since then. He would pay the investors but not my mom. I hated my dad, didn’t treat him as a father and blamed him for all the hardship that my mom, my sister and I had to go through. Oh it was tough. Now, I understand a little about my father heart. He is non-christian but he is a really good guy. We talk about weathers and politics over dinner now. The more I try to know my father’s heart the more I am able to understand the relationship with God too.
    My ex girlfriend is a single mom and it still hurts my heart badly. So, the topic of fatherhood is not an easy topic for me and I began to really think about fatherless-ness and spiritual covering during my membership class. I couldn’t agree more with what is taught in my lacking. I am very blessed to have found sillim campus and spiritual fathers who have good loving hearts. I wish to grow, learn and mature here in spiritual son-ship and maybe God might give me a heart like that too to love like they do.

  413. Sookyoung Park (Sooky) says:

    I was reminded of a past cg leader who was there for me whenever i was in desperate need. When I was having anxiety attacks, she responded immediately. I was so loved and blessed to “do” life with her.
    I also wondered how better could I learn the “way of life” of my spiritual fathers at NP? And the answer thru the documentary was to see how fathers “love people”.
    Relationship is so important. “Releasing” somebody to do something is different from “sending” somebody to do something.
    Everyone needs a spiritual father, and everyone needs to be a spiritual son.
    I love intimacy. I wonder why wouldn’t some people (fathers OR sons) want intimacy?
    I cried thinking of my own father (of the flesh). He had been there for me but was at the same time sometimes absent also.
    Why are men (who are not fathered) so reluctant to become fathers?
    How can we help men become fathers?

  414. Megan Chow says:

    The concept that pastors desire to create disciples, not sons, is a concept I feel very familiar with. I never realized how much I was missing without the spiritual fathership that was really emphasized in this documentary. I became disillusioned with some of my previous churches for exactly this reason, that there was a push to serve well and be a good example, but rarely did I get the mentorship, the fathership, the training, the love that is all needed to grow healthily and continue growing. Perhaps because of this mentality, I have been very reluctant to allow others to see into my life, all the weak points I’d like to hide, because I never felt that I would receive the unconditional love of a father, but rather, the disappointment of someone who expected more.

    Oftentimes, you hear that the church is lacking leadership. But as stated here, instead of lacking leadership, we are lacking fathership and sonship, and I agree wholeheartedly with this. When you have a spiritual father whose heart you inherit, like Timothy with Paul’s heart, then leadership comes with that growth and training. I’ve never seen that emphasized before until I came to New Philly, and even now, constantly being reminded that everyone is imperfect and that we’re all growing is a part of my spiritual life I didn’t realize I was missing.

    Something that really resonated with me from this documentary was the reminder that no matter where you are in your walk, you are still a son and you will always be a son. It was a great reminder that even as you pour into others, you also need to be poured into and guided.

  415. Ah Sung Yang says:

    Through this documentary, I was able to understand the importance of being part of the church as a son; as Jesus did his ministry all time as a son, I learned that it is important to know how to be a son in the church community. Often times we don’t try to build relationships with spiritual leaders in the church or consider them as your spiritual father. I realized how important it is not only to find a church that emphsizes sonship within the church (and I am glad that New Philly is like this) but also as a member of the community to have a mindset and attitude as a son and put an effort to be open and vulnerable, build a relationship with spiritual leaders and also submit to them. I wholeheartedly agree that we can experience sonship that we have with God by being a son in the house. I also learned that sonship teaches us the way of life that our spiritual father has and will change our ways to handle situations that we face in the world. Given the significance of sonship within the church, I also agree that more biblical and theological teachings and understanding of the sonship need to be provided by the church.

  416. Grace Lee says:

    Great message and video. I think the concept of spiritual sonship to a church and to a leader can be daunting. Engaging in covenant as a son is an intimate and deep thing, quite countercultural in our age where we are involved in so many relationships and move around so much. I have lived in 6 countries/states in the past 8 years, and it’s challenging to constantly meet so many people yet still maintain deep relationships. As little as I do know about this topic, I do see its significance – that it is God’s model of bringing people into His family and passing on God’s blessing. What I think of most is that sons get the full inheritance, not servants or students of the Master. It is our title as sons of God that gives us full access to all that God has — His full authority, His full protection, His full devotion — and that we reciprocate in giving HIm all our love rather than just sacrifice. However, God knowing that I don’t know how to be a son, even though he has made me a son, gave me a local church, real people to love me and live out sonship as Christ demonstrated. Pastor Robinson’s words sum these thoughts up well for me: “We experience sonship to God through becoming a son of the house [or local church].”

  417. Kellie Teague says:

    While watching this video, my appreciation for my earthly father was renewed. I always felt that he tried hard to be a godly father. He was just and loving to me, something I realize many people don’t get to experience. I realized that my father wasn’t just trying to be godly to be a good father, but he wanted to give me a representation of God to me so I would come to know the Father. I can see now how this kind of godly representation of the Father needs to be in the church. We do need spiritual fathers in the church, but we also need to seek to have a son’s heart. A rebellious and prideful heart cannot be accepting of a father’s wisdom and teachings. My prayer is that God will destroy my prideful, sinful nature so that I can be humble before Him and before the spiritual fathers He has given me in the church. I appreciate our church providing spiritual fathers in the form of CG leaders and pastors; I will pray for God to instruct me on how to be a son to those in command over me. Furthermore, I will pray for God to build me up so I can one day be a spiritual father to the members and visitors of the house.

  418. SooJi Suzy Kim says:

    I first heard the concept of the “spiritual father” at New Philly, and until today had not realized how important it is to have a father figure to show us the way of the Christian life in the body of Christ. The individualistic world view has been so deeply ingrained in this generation that I also approached the church as a hierarchical organizational system to create order within a group of people believing if God. However, I have now started to comprehend the importance of relationship with other believers and with a spiritual mentor, and look forward to the familial intimacy of New Philly and covering from the leaders to walk the spiritual walk together instead of walking alone.

  419. Hanna Bang says:

    Growing up as a missionary’s kid helped me see howbimportant it is to grow up with a spiritual father who is present. However, my dad being the pastor of the church I was attending and also being the pastor of many church members made it difficult for me to see whether my dad was my dad or someone else’s spiritual father. Watching this documentary helped me rewind back to the time when I was really upset that my parents were not present for important things such as school events. However, I know that I have the blessing of sonship from God almighty and this is what helped me view my natural father as an example of one of God’s grace to allow me to experience what sonship means.

  420. Jamie Boehmer says:

    This video answered a lot of questions that I had from the previous sermon that was preached in sermon #2. Growing up without a strong father figure I have always gravitated toward finding male father figures to pour into me and finding my sense of worth in when I do things that make them proud. This video shows me why I did that, I’m craving a figure to show me how to live, how to be a good husband, a good leader, a good worker, a good father when I have children. The church in America can learn a lot from this idea, we are good at replicating leadership and getting our “people bought into a vision” but have we shown them how to live a successful long term walk? Have we shown them what success will look like day in and day out, or twenty years from now? I look forward to learning more about this.

  421. Margaret Cuevas says:

    I have never really thought about having a spiritual father, although I do know men of God that I respect and learn from. “We need less teachers, and more spiritual fathers.” After listening to the documentary, I understand why and I agree with this statement. Even mature Christians have weak or unsure moments and need someone to counsel them. I think of my own father, who does not have a spiritual father in his life. He is growing and serving in the church, but he also faces many trials which have left him bitter and temperamental. I see him as my father and brother in Christ, but can he also be my spiritual father if he is not spiritually stable? This is very personal, but that’s what came from listening to this documentary.

  422. Mirabelle Knowles says:

    Throughout my life I’ve been taught that God is a ‘relational God’ and that the church should be like a family, but I was never given any guide for building relationships in the church which reflected either of those beliefs. Relationships with other Christians, especially other young Christians, always left me lacking and confused. The way that we were told to relate to one another within the church seemed to, like much of my Christian teaching, focus on avoidance of sin rather than pursuit of ideal and righteousness living. Don’t be impatient or angry or flirtatious or rude or judgemental… okay, but what SHOULD I do? Introducing sonship into the church gives an expectation of intimacy, commitment and sacrifice, stemming from the spiritual parenting of pastors, which that truly reflects a family model. The mixture of love, acceptance, discpline and accountability which true Fatherhood provides, is something many Christians have never experienced. It really makes sense to my head and my heart that God would want to use pastors to fill this lack in our lives, in ways even beyond what a biological father could do. God designed the family model and he wants its benefits and blessings to be accesible to the church even where the natural parents are absent or lacking. I think this video beautifully expressed how these things are essential for a healthy church to grow in genuine love and family community with one another.

  423. Sam Johnson says:

    The fatherless generation is a real problem is modern society and there is a strong correlation between societal problems and young people growing up without fathers. A father is someone who is always there and you will always have access to go to them. Even after you have been sent there is not a time when you are no longer a son to your father. In the example of Paul and Timothy, Paul said Timothy is going to remind you of my way of life, he has my heart and he loves the same way I love. This is because Timothy had spent so much time with Paul, he knew Timothy would carry his spirit whenever he went. I was able to identify with the story of feeling held back in certain areas of my life. Even though I thought I was ready I want being sent. In reality the heart in that situation isn’t to reluctantly stay, but it is to Trotsky not want to leave the father’s side until he is telling you to go.

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